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4NL - AQs Flush Draw In Multiway Pot - Thu Apr 04, 2013, 05:05 PM
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This is an ugly spot I ran into last night at the 4NL 6-max tables. I raised AQs for value and isolation of one or both limpers. My raise got 3 callers. Villain is 38/17/2.7 (VPIP/PFR/3-bet) over 205 hands. Only use notes for post-flop, but no notes on villain.

I definitely thought villain had a J when he raised flop and expected little to no fold equity if I re-raised. When villain minimum check-raised me on flop I really did not know what to do. I know my equity is bad, but there was a lot of money in the pot. I did not like the idea of calling and giving up on a blank turn, so I opted to shove.

Upon review I feel like my re-raise shove was a huge mistake (with my read villain had a J). I could have considered calling $.52 in a pot of $2.06. I am still unsure if bet/call would have been best on the flop. I could have checked flop and taken a free card. I'm not sure if that would be a good idea since my opponents are unlikely to have a hand and giving 3 people a free card just seems bad to me.

What do you guys think?


$0.02/$0.04 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players

PLAYITSLOW (CO): $1.50 (37.5 bb)
Hero (BTN): $4.08 (102 bb)
cent4cent3 (SB): $6.09 (152.3 bb)
NayNay12125 (BB): $1.60 (40 bb)
babygirl95 (UTG): $1.19 (29.7 bb)
chess64 (MP): $3.57 (89.3 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Q A
babygirl95 calls $0.04, chess64 calls $0.04, PLAYITSLOW calls $0.04, Hero raises to $0.24, 2 folds, babygirl95 calls $0.20, chess64 calls $0.20, PLAYITSLOW calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.02) J J 5 (4 players)
babygirl95 checks, chess64 checks, PLAYITSLOW checks, Hero bets $0.52, babygirl95 folds, chess64 raises to $1.04, PLAYITSLOW folds, Hero raises to $3.84 and is all-in, chess64 calls $2.29

Turn: ($7.68) T (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($7.68) 4 (2 players, 1 is all-in)

side note: Apologies to other players in the hand. I meant to hide player names, but cannot re-upload hand.

Last edited by RockerguyAA; Thu Apr 04, 2013 at 05:51 PM..
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 06:02 PM
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Pre-flop is great. I also like your flop c-bet. Half pot is fine on this fairly dry flop, and you obviously have equity when called with your two overs and NFD.
Villain's minraise reps a jack, but it also gives you a great price to call with a draw. (That's why post-flop minraises are bad. You have a great price to call.)
Here you'd be calling 52c into a total pot of $3.10, meaning you only need 52/310 = 17% equity. If villain has trips with something like KJ, you have 25%, so calling is definitely profitable. Shoving is definitely bad, because you have no fold equity.
Stacks are still relatively deep, so you have some implied odds to go along with the immediate odds. I might be folding if he bets big on blank turns, but certain bet sizes might make it also profitable to call there. If you make the flush on the turn, you're winning this guys's stack and a whole lot more.


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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 06:34 PM
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My 2 cents...

I don't like the bet on the flop tbh... On a paired board w/ an under card as low as a 5 there isn't much strong hands you can represent outside of AJ, over pair or a boat all of which are kind of expensive to be representing in a multi-way pot.

Over cards, pocket pairs and weaker flush draws will likely be peeling here suspecting you may be trying to steal w/ Ax. In this case you would have to re evaluate your decision on the turn so I would just check behind to make things easier, you are drawing into the nut flush w/ two overcards in the best position.

Check-Min Raise in a multi-way pot on a board like this is a fishs' way of saying "I'm ready to stack off w/ my trips/boat/overpair." As played idk what advice to give :S but if you felt that this guy would min raise w/ weak pocket pairs (or even a 5 ) then shoving has value.

All I can suggest is not bluffing too deep(or even at all) on flops like that 4 way. Maybe on Jh Jd Kd would likely work heads up and get air out of the pot but 4 way... Not the best idea
 
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Thu Apr 04, 2013, 09:45 PM
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Thanks for the analyses guys. I guess I should just bail on the hand once my equity and the pot odds start to seriously disagree with each other.
 

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