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Bets - Mon Apr 08, 2013, 06:15 PM
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Do you think im raising this hands to much





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Mon Apr 08, 2013, 06:39 PM
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Mon Apr 08, 2013, 07:58 PM
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Hi Mike!

There's nothing wrong with the way you played this hand. In fact, the only slight mistake is by not betting enough pre-flop.
With AQ in the SB with two limpers in the pot, I'm making a larger open, so I get value for my hand (it's likely to be way ahead of hands that limp) and to deny the limpers a cheap price to see if they can hit the flop. Players like to limp in with speculative hands because they want to see a flop cheaply. You shouldn't let them do that. Punish the limpers!

A standard open raise would be 3bb (6c), but I'd add an extra bb for each limper, to make my bet 5bb (10c). Since I'm out of position, I might add on another couple of cents, to make it more likely that I only have one caller and I can make a more meaningful bet on the flop.
Here you just went with 3bb pre and both limpers called. You got a good flop, TPTK on a board that only has a couple of draws. (KT and T9 are the only open-ended straight draws).
If these villains limp-called with hands like 33 or 65s, you won't get a cent out of them on this flop, but often they will call with one-pair hands like JT, and sometimes even ace high. Having two villains in the pot also increases your chances of being called, so when I have a value hand (like TPTK) I'll be betting quite a large % of the pot. 15c into 20c is good. You might get called more often if you only went for 12c or 10c, but against loose/weak players, I'm happy to make larger bets. I think a lot of 2NL players don't even notice the size of the bet, provided it's not ludicriously big. If they have something, they're calling. If they don't they're not.
You had a strong hand here, but villains didn't have anything to call with. Just be happy you won a small pot. With a hand like AQ, that's often your aim. You can't win a stack every time.

Hope this helps.
Cheers,
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Tue Apr 09, 2013, 01:01 PM
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AQ, that's often your aim. You can't win a stack every time.

hehe i cant win a stack any time at the minute that was like 1 of my best hands since last week, how ever i think you have just made me realise a major leak in my game i always 3 bet my premium hands even when people limp because i want a call and hopefully flop a good board but the trouble is im not hitting very often at the moment and im losing all my preflop action and a bluff bet il fire off on the flop which the majority of the time i win but its not profitable

im breaking even every time i come on so i think il do the bets per limper and maybe it will make up for the times i miss the flop and cant make people fold on the flop, cheers arty

hope i can get some good cards going today im gonna try out tournys otherwise i dnt think my strategy is good enough in a tourny though at the minute so im gonna join some classes and see what i can learn
 
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Tue Apr 09, 2013, 02:23 PM
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Just a note on the termininology, as a lot of beginners get confused on this.
A standard raise is 3 big blinds, but that's not the same as a 3-bet.
A 3-bet is a re-raise. (It's called a 3-bet because it's the third different bet size since the start of this "street". The first bet (2c) is represented by the big blind and any limpers. A raise (which might be 6c, 8c, 10c or something else) would be a 2-bet. A reraise (which is coincidentally normally 3 times the size of the last raise) would be a 3-bet. After that, someone might 4-bet, often leading to a 5-bet shove.)

I'll give you a clearer example of why you should add 1bb for each limper when you are raising for value.

1. There's one limp. You raise to 6c. The blinds fold and the limper calls. The pot is 15c. You c-bet 10c and the limper folds. You drag a 15c pot, of which you contributed 6c. You made a profit of 9c.

2. There's one limp. You raise to 8c (3bb + 1bb for limper). The blinds fold and the limper calls. The pot is 19c. You bet 12c and the limper folds. You drag a 19c pot, of which you contributed 8c. You made a profit of 11c.

So you see, that just adding that extra bb for the limper leads to an immediate bonus of 2c when you take the pot down on the flop.
If you'd hit the flop hard, and get called by the villain, then the pot grows much more quickly than it would if you'd only made it 6c pre-flop.
When we have the best hand, we want to build a big pot, so start doing so by adding an extra bb for those limpers.


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