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Runner runner...as always - Thu Apr 11, 2013, 03:29 AM
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Thu Apr 11, 2013, 04:46 AM
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With only ~3BB left you should be shoving the 77 preflop.
Even if you were to call and hit a set you should be shoving the rest of your stack in on the flop. You let them both see their draws play out for free. What were you expecting to happen?
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2013, 05:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mimesis.is View Post
with only ~3bb left you should be shoving the 77 preflop.
Even if you were to call and hit a set you should be shoving the rest of your stack in on the flop. You let them both see their draws play out for free. What were you expecting to happen?
this is true,mimesis.is..but i am not saying anything about that.it is a open school league table.do u think that shoving would do any difference??
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2013, 12:33 PM
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Hi MACKNIKOS!

This hand's a good example of where my plays will be totally different if it was a standard tourney vs a league game.

In a cash tourney, I'm going to shove this preflop every single time. However, this is a league game and it's still fairly early, so I could easily still be in negative points if I get ko'd. Due to this, I'm going to check and see the flop for free.

I flop bottom set and with hitting my set, I am NOT going to check the flop. Here is where I'm going to shove since I now have a made hand. I also want to do whatever I can here to try to give the opps a -EV play to call to try to beat me. I may or may not be able to price all of them out, but I'm going to do the best that I can.

When the opp flips over A6, this is the exact reason that I want to shove the flop. If that opp calls my shove on the flop, then they are going to be making a -EV play, so I will expect to gain chips on average from them every single time. By checking and letting them have 2 very small bets to get my chips in, they are actually making a +EV play... one where they expect to gain chips. I want to be making plays where I gain chips, not ones where the opponents expect to gain chips.

For a league game, the best play that I can make with 77 is to check preflop and then when I hit my set, to shove the flop.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:14 PM
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Jwk24,thank you for your time.i agree with your answer.i have slow played that hand because those 2 players were playing very loose-agressive and i knew that they would raise me...and to earn some time..i dont believe that a 2 bb shove would scared them..the real problem is that i have start not to believe at +ev..3 years now i am seeing ps software punishing me..especially at both school leagues..runner-runner,river,etc.i have lost with every hand,even with 4 aces...anyway,thans again.
 
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Thu Apr 11, 2013, 01:17 PM
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The key is to make +EV plays over and over. By slowplaying, what would normally be a +EV situation for US is turned into a +EV situation for the opps. Due to this, they're going to be making the positive play, which means that we're going to get sucked out on more. The averages hold over time and the key is to continually make +EV plays.

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