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mtt lesson - Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:11 AM
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ive just watched the training quiz on the middle phase lesson, its just told me that i should open raise KQ to 4bb ( ok fair enough) the sb call flop comes Qc 7c 6c

villain raises 2 3rds of the pot you have top pair and a good kicker now it says you should push all whether the flush is there or not really is that right, we didnt even have a club ourselves that would be a fold in my book
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 11:27 AM
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Oh dear this lesson just got me knocked out the tourney i flopped top 2 pair villain flops a straight i called his raise flush rolls out i push all in he was a very tight player i nearly scared him of as well
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:01 PM
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Tournament strategy is somewhat different to cash game strategy, primarily because you will be short-stacked relative to the blinds for much of the game. After raising KQ and betting TPTK, it's often correct to shove the flop or bet the flop and call a shove because you are pot-committed. (Pot is large and remaining stacks are short).
In tourneys, there's very little multi-street action once the blinds reach 100. You often commit to your hand either pre-flop (when you're under 15bb or so) or on the flop, and you should be stacking off light.

See TheLangolier's training sessions on commitment decisions and Managing short/medium stacks.

P.S. The lesson didn't knock you out of the tourney. Villain's better hand did.


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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 12:36 PM
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Yh your right Arty his hand did knock me out but if i wernt reading lessons while i was playing i would of lost maybe 3k tops in that hand because i could fold knowing im well and truly beat, it was my fault i was trying to get to a monster stack so i can try being a big fish with it hahah, what i should of done is gone i can afford losing 3k of my 10k stack at this stage and waited for a new hand
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mike2198 View Post
ive just watched the training quiz on the middle phase lesson, its just told me that i should open raise KQ to 4bb ( ok fair enough) the sb call flop comes Qc 7c 6c

villain raises 2 3rds of the pot you have top pair and a good kicker now it says you should push all whether the flush is there or not really is that right, we didnt even have a club ourselves that would be a fold in my book
I dunno what lesson you were watching but I never raise 4x pre EVER unless i am the button with 1 to 3 limpers. If you are the first raiser i dunno when 4x pre is ever a good idea

What video was it so i know
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 06:48 PM
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It's OK to open for 4bb in the very early stages of a tourney when you have a very strong hand in early position and expect to get called by weak players with speculative hands when the blinds are 10/20.
But KQ doesn't qualify as a very strong hand, and this wasn't the early stages of the tourney, so I agree with Matt. I'd only make it 4x if I was deep-stacked and there was already one or two limpers in the pot. If I had less than 20bb, I'd often be going all in.

EDIT: It actually says to raise 4bb with KQ on this page: http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...-Middle-Blinds

I think that must have been written before smallball strategy (with smaller open-sizes) became the popular standard.


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Sat Apr 20, 2013, 05:42 PM
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Yes I dont watch alot of the videos on here caus they are very outdated. I went to watch 1 of the 5050 vids and was trying to figure out when they played it cause the structure and buyin were something I had never seen. Getting some new videos relevant to the times and some hyper videos for me personally would be great and something I may enjoy
 

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