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3-Betting Calling Stations and other Loose Passive Types - Fri Apr 19, 2013, 07:36 PM
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Hey guys. (Sorry if there is already a thread like this)

My question is how often should I 3-bet calling stations pre-flop and with how wide a range of hands? As of right now I only 3-bet them with premium hands and pocket pairs TT+.

I think I should be 3-betting them with a wider range of hands, taking advantage of their loose passiveness and get chunks of their money in pre flop. But I'm always worried about what I should do when I don't hit the flop, its scary thinking that I could be X/called 3 streets by a villan w/ any made hand.

They are already capable of X/calling 2 streets w/ K high [actually happened to me once] and once they make any hand they don't like to fold. In the past my flop, turn bets have been looked up by the wildest things from 33 and T7 to QJ and A4.

I think its correct to exploit these things but when I don't make a hand with my AK I'm usually at a loss as to what I should do. I really don't like playing passively after 3-betting and out of my fear of opponents who can't fold anything I hardly ever risk 3-betting them.

What do you guys think? Should I be 3-betting these types of players or rather hope to make a hand and try to get the value post flop. Also what methods do you guys find most effective vs these people.

Thanks for reading.
 
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Fri Apr 19, 2013, 08:54 PM
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You can definitely widen your value-raising range if villain is going to call with worse often, but I prefer to do it when villain plays more fit-or-fold post-flop. Like you, I often struggle when I 3-bet AK and completely miss. I'm more comfortable with a small pre-flop pot, which I'll build once I have a made hand.
Having said that, you can 3-bet hands like AQ, AJ, KQs, JJ/TT for value, because although you'll have a bad flop much of the time, you'll make money in the long run when you connect. Indeed, you'll often be winning a whole stack when villain calls down light.
It should be profitable to bloat the pot pre-flop when villain is a station, because when you hit big, he'll pay you off big. It's nice to win small pots with big hands, but it's even better to win big pots with big hands. 3-betting is the first step to building a big pot.

The only real problem I have with the idea of 3-betting loose passives, is that for you to 3-bet, you need them to have raised pre-flop... and loose passives don't normally raise pre-flop without a real hand. Hands like AJ and KQ are in pretty bad shape against someone with a PFR of 5 or less. :/


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Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:06 AM
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The only real problem I have with the idea of 3-betting loose passives, is that for you to 3-bet, you need them to have raised pre-flop... and loose passives don't normally raise pre-flop without a real hand. Hands like AJ and KQ are in pretty bad shape against someone with a PFR of 5 or less. :/
Well that is true . When I posted the types I had in mind were those that play any Ace or high card for that matter with trashy kickers.

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you can 3-bet hands like AQ, AJ, KQs, JJ/TT for value, because although you'll have a bad flop much of the time, you'll make money in the long run when you connect. Indeed, you'll often be winning a whole stack when villain calls down light.
It should be profitable to bloat the pot pre-flop when villain is a station, because when you hit big, he'll pay you off big. It's nice to win small pots with big hands, but it's even better to win big pots with big hands. 3-betting is the first step to building a big pot.
Winning an entire stack on a TPGK hand doesn't sound too bad , I guess I really should widen my 3-bet range vs stations after all. For some reason I tighten up my 3 bet range and only widen my raising range. So I guess all I can do is keep at it, bluff less and hope for a good flop. Maybe I try to rush the fish stacking process a little too much but they don't last long and I prefer to be the one to take their money .

Thanks Arty.

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Mon May 27, 2013, 12:03 PM
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As Arty says, loosen your value range against calling stations and bet bet bet top pair hands until you have a reason not to bet. If you get 3bet then re-evaluate your hand and what you think their range may be. Id probably bet around 2/3's of the pot on dry boards.
 

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