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QKo - Mon May 06, 2013, 01:22 PM
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Just got this hand in the open league, i know you shouldnt slow play trips but the board was dry and i was wondering can i check the flop here sometimes, especially against big stacks.

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Mon May 06, 2013, 04:57 PM
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Hi mike2198!

With KQo in the cutoff and a limper in front of me, I'm going to limp behind here. If I did raise, I'd need to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper (240). Any smaller raise can give the opps the correct odds to draw to beat me, which is something that I do not want to do.

I flop trip Q and when it checks to me, I am going to make my standard value bet for two opps in the hand with me, which is a 2/3 pot bet (360).

Checking the flop here, especially in a league game will be nothing but trouble and early in a league game is huge trouble, as when I lose, I'm probably going to get stacked and a BIG negative league score. The opps that don't care about the end of the month leaderboard will be getting the correct odds to outdraw me... which means that I would DESERVE TO LOSE the hand.
When I'm ahead, I want to be making value bets where if the opp calls, they expect to lose chips to me. If I make plays that are too small (checking or not betting enough)... then the opps will expect to gain chips from MY bets... which is a big problem.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon May 06, 2013, 05:22 PM
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Yh i thought as much i just wanted to get the max chips out of these hands and when they checked i knew they had nothing, i think worst case scenario there would be i checked they had pocket 3s or something and they bet the turn i raise and they call to hit there 3 on the river.

I can understand on a wet board i would never slow play was just thinking how often would they suck out on a dry board.
 
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Mon May 06, 2013, 05:47 PM
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If a villain has pocket 3s, you're usually losing your stack, as he flopped a boat. This board is really dry, so villains can't have a draw as such, but there's still value to be had. Many villains won't give you credit for a queen, so they'll call with all pocket pairs and sometimes ace high too. Even though a pocket pair only has 2 outs to beat you, you don't want it having a free chance to do so. And if a villain calls with Ax and hit the ace on the turn, you'll be getting 2 or 3 streets instead of 1 or 2. I really wouldn't recommend slowplaying unless you had top boat or quads, and even sometimes with those hands you can get called by worse.


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Mon May 06, 2013, 07:36 PM
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If a villain has pocket 3s, you're usually losing your stack, as he flopped a boat. This board is really dry, so villains can't have a draw as such, but there's still value to be had. Many villains won't give you credit for a queen, so they'll call with all pocket pairs and sometimes ace high too. Even though a pocket pair only has 2 outs to beat you, you don't want it having a free chance to do so. And if a villain calls with Ax and hit the ace on the turn, you'll be getting 2 or 3 streets instead of 1 or 2. I really wouldn't recommend slowplaying unless you had top boat or quads, and even sometimes with those hands you can get called by worse.

Just realized what i did there if they had pocket 3s i would of lost anyway what i meant was on that board Q3Q if checked and they bet and i raised they would fold any other pair like 4s or they might just call my raise check the river i check behind if i dont improve but if i make a boat well then i can go for value.

What im saying is if i went that line how often would that underpair or over pair make a boat.

Oh i didn't realize when i put pocket 3s in that example that a 3 was on the board of my hand i posted up i should of checked the hand, i think thats twice i done a bad example like that now can you see what im saying surely i could milk a few extra chips out of pairs if i check that flop or a bluffy player id just have to put up with a big loss every now and again, i dont mean on every flop just the odd dry board with a few oops in the pot.

Im just trying to find a way to get big stack so i can play better preflop im sure if i had a stack big enough i could take pots down without seeing a flop with a nice chunky stack but when your a baby stack they just call you wider.
 
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Mon May 06, 2013, 07:52 PM
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Im just trying to find a way to get big stack so i can play better preflop im sure if i had a stack big enough i could take pots down without seeing a flop with a nice chunky stack but when your a baby stack they just call you wider.
In a league game... that's a losing proposition, as the one time you get a big stack will be well outweighed by the numerous times you get a LARGE negative point total. Having a big stack will NOT deter anyone in them, honestly, you'll probably get MORE action.

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Tue May 07, 2013, 05:25 AM
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Ok il just keep to my standard play then i just got fancy now and it failed miserably would of put me on a nice stack as well, just had an 8k finish very bad its a good job im in a 100th place overall.

I only want to finish above 500 thats why im using free rolls to practice with but you guys are right this fancy stuff don't pay off, just once in a while.

I guess i could just play standard i would probably be like 50th by now ive knocked myself out early 3 times getting fancy still you cant compete with these players playing like every game, the rules should be like your top 5 finishes a week count towards a final score that way it would be balanced and not who gets the most games in.

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