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Arty's 6-max challenge. $100 to ??? - Thu May 09, 2013, 03:45 PM
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As those of you who follow my blog know, I'm a full ring specialist. Most of my poker experience is of FR cash games at 2NL/5NL, but I recently switched to tourneys for the bulk of my play. A rough patch of variance in SnGs has been pretty tilting, so I'm going to take a break from those for a while. I'll no doubt give tourneys another try in the future (I'll be playing in the Premier League in June) but for now I'm going back to cash games.
I've played very little 6-max in the past, but I'm going to try and "release my inner LAG" on the short-handed microstakes tables. I've only played a couple of hundred hands of 2NL 6max on Stars in the last couple of days, so I have no clear idea of the ranges average players are opening, but the games seem pretty wild in comparision to the nit-fest that full ring has become. I'm fairly confident I can adapt and prosper, but it's gonna be baby steps at first. The player pool is so big at 2NL 6-max that it will be a while before I have stats/notes on the regs, but I'm gonna give it a try.

I'm following strict bankroll requirements, beginning with a roll that is well in excess of the 30-35 buy-ins that I'd recommend for beginners. After making a withdrawal today, my account has exactly $100 in it.
I'm over-rolled for 2NL, as $100 is 50 buy-ins.
I shall play 2NL 6max until I'm either busto (unlikely), I move up (hopefully), or I abandon the challenge and play something else (possibly). There is no time limit for this challenge, as I simply don't know how much playing time I'll have in the next few months, or how easy/tough the games will be. I don't plan to play more than 4 tables at once, so this could be a long hard slog.

Moving up/down
When my roll reaches $150, I'll play 5NL (30 buy-ins), but move back to 2NL if my roll goes down to $125.
When my roll reaches $300, I'll play 10NL (30 BI), but move back to 5NL if my roll goes down to $250.
When my roll reaches $560, I'll play 16NL (35 BI), but move back to 10NL if my roll goes down to $480.

I might actually just stop when I get to $500, if indeed I get that high. For all I know, I might not be able to beat 2NL!

I'll update this thread occasionally when my bankroll reaches particular high points, or I've played X-thousand hands. I'll also post various stats and graphs from my tracker, discuss strategy and replay some "interesting" hands.

I'm starting in a few minutes, so if you play 2NL 6-max on Stars, get out of the way when I raise. I always have aces!


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Thu May 09, 2013, 03:48 PM
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gl man will be awsome to follow your progress


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Thu May 09, 2013, 03:59 PM
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Good luck and welcome to 6-max Arty
Playing zoom btw?
 
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Thu May 09, 2013, 04:40 PM
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Very interesting...

Good luck Arty - I'm sure you will do just as well at 6-max with a bit of adjustment.

I prefer Full Ring at 2NL and 5NL, but my favourite cash games are 6-max at either 10NL or 25NL.

I'm not rolled to play those 10NL/25NL stakes other than an occasional session, that is why I am back at 2NLFR - at 2NL I prefer full ring.

6-max is obviously more active, and if you watch any session by our specialist 6-Max trainer here - GarethC23 - you will pick up a hell of a lot, though I don't know if it works so well at lower stakes - I can barely contemplate playing 6-max at 2NL - is it shovemonkey territory?

It is within my current cash challenge to play some 6,max 2NL so I might give it a go - for now I am happy in the nitfest that 2NL FR has become. Where my TAG stats make me a maniac..

Ed

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Thu May 09, 2013, 05:17 PM
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Good Luck Arty
 
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Thu May 09, 2013, 05:22 PM
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Thanks guys!

I'm not going to play Zoom for the moment, Ferdy. I never got on very well with FR Zoom, as my game depends a lot of exploiting the leaks of known villains. If I don't have notes on someone, it's hard for me to capitalize. I'm amazed at just how many hands you can play at 6-max, even on regular tables. In my first hour, I got thru over 300 hands, and that was starting with one table and only gradually moving up to 4. It used to take me about 2 and a half hours to play 300 hands of full ring. :/

My bankroll took a hit in this first session, but I was quite pleased with my play. Stats look pretty good, although the sample size in insignificant. In FR games, I play something like 14/10 with 2% 3-bet. At 6-max, it's looking more like 21/18 and 5.7%. This might even be a bit too loose/aggressive, because my customized auto-rate scores in HEM were displaying the "aggro monkey" icon next to my stats.

I would have made a profit, but I lost to a big cooler: Top set versus TPTK+NFD on the turn.


Villain was playing 54/23, so I should probably have 3-bet my Jacks for value pre-flop. (I'm so used to flatting with JJ in full ring that I was hesistant to put in a re-raise). Post-flop kind of played itself. When villain overbets the turn, he pretty much has to have QQ+, a lower set, or the NFD, so I'm printing money by getting it in. Unfortunately, his 18% equity was more than realised, so I ran $3 below EV for this session.
Shortly after that I hero-folded KK on 644tt when there was significant action multiway. One villain had a boat, the other turned a nut flush. Very glad I got out of the way.

I'll play another hour later on, so with my luck, I'll be busto by the weekend.


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Thu May 09, 2013, 06:09 PM
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GL Arty! As you know, I took a break from full ring Zoom to mess around on 6-Max Zoom the past few days. I had intended on flying under the radar, but your challenge sounds like fun. Perhaps I'll do a bit more than goof around on 6-max and we can compare notes.

GL!

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Thu May 09, 2013, 06:34 PM
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Hey Roland! If you're gonna play some more 6-max, then I think you should post a thread about it to keep us updated on your progress. You were partly the inspiration for me to give it a try, after all! I'm sure you'll crush it much more than I do, but I think the community would benefit from the discussion.

I know you've just been "goofing" around on the Zoom version, but do you agree that at first glance 6-max seems somewhat softer than FR, because the loosest players are much looser than their FR counterparts?
My initital impression is that once a beginner has played a few thousand hands of FR using a very tight strategy, 6-max is a great way to open up their game and develop their post-flop skills.


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Thu May 09, 2013, 06:49 PM
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I would like to suggest updating the thread 'per X amount of hands'. Updates would be more regular and would give us some frame of reference to the ups and the downs.

Having a long term goal of ??? is no fun.
Maybe just set your long term goal to building your bankroll to $560 so you can consider moving up to 16NL. All you have to do then is set some new short and long term goals and maybe start a new thread!

Oh yeah, and good luck! Looking forward to following this!
 
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Thu May 09, 2013, 06:50 PM
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Good luck Arty, it's going to be very instructive to follow your progress as i intend to switch to 6 max somewhere this year. When you place a report from pt4, could you give me (us) a hint on how to set that report up ourselves? Would be helpful for me as I am a newbie to pt4 statistics.


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Thu May 09, 2013, 07:10 PM
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Hey Arty,

First, good luck on your goals

In Zoom, you can take plenty of notes, I know I do and I play 4 tables and I average about 850 hands an hour. So I also depend on notes since I don't use any HUD.

As for the stats, you can have the ideal perfect stats such as 3-bet, c-bet, etc etc. but if you're not a winning player, what's the point?

6-max is not necessarily softer than FR, it depends on who's sitting at your table. But 6-max has a wider range than FR, which doesn't mean softer.

Just My 2 cents on that JJ hand.
I would of re-raised to .30 pre flop and if he calls
I would of re-raised to .45 post flop
If he calls than it's all in
The outcome could of been different were you could of walk away with money, or it would of been the same

Will be following this thread
 
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Thu May 09, 2013, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtySmokesPS View Post
Hey Roland! If you're gonna play some more 6-max, then I think you should post a thread about it to keep us updated on your progress. You were partly the inspiration for me to give it a try, after all! I'm sure you'll crush it much more than I do, but I think the community would benefit from the discussion.

I know you've just been "goofing" around on the Zoom version, but do you agree that at first glance 6-max seems somewhat softer than FR, because the loosest players are much looser than their FR counterparts?
My initital impression is that once a beginner has played a few thousand hands of FR using a very tight strategy, 6-max is a great way to open up their game and develop their post-flop skills.
I think Ill take your advice Arty. I'll start a thread tomorrow. It should be interesting to compare notes since we have a pretty similar style on FR. I will be sticking to 6-Max Zoom though.

Good Luck

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Thu May 09, 2013, 07:32 PM
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BTW, I agree with Sandtrap on the JJ hand. Someone once said "take them to value-town at 2NL by betting/raising your strong hands as early and often as you can!

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Fri May 10, 2013, 02:44 AM
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GL Arty!.
 
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Fri May 10, 2013, 02:48 AM
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Nice one Roland I also think the same guy once said "i am probably better analyzer than a player"
 
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Fri May 10, 2013, 05:06 AM
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Good luck Arty - hope you do well. Will certainly keep an interest in how it is going.
 
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Fri May 10, 2013, 05:55 AM
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GL Arty
 
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Fri May 10, 2013, 06:21 AM
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GL & All Thee Best
 
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Fri May 10, 2013, 03:22 PM
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I've turned things around and I'm now in profit after 1000 hands, but way below EV. EV winrate is currently 19bb/100, but I doubt it will stay that high.

One thing I've been trying to work on is more overall aggression. My redline for FR was terrible, and it's mainly because I didn't 3-bet often enough, or fire turn barrels. (I'm addicted to pot-control and never felt comfortable making bluffs).
In my latest 6 max session, I upped my aggression with good results, but it felt really spewy to raise the flop with a pair + FD and then fire the turn and river with just a pair of 8s on Q83A4. I've literally only made a 3-barrel bluff 5 times in my life before and my pulse was racing as villain tank-folded on the river.

Another hand where I double-barrelled with air had quite a funny result:


I gave up on the river, because villain didn't seem to be folding, and I now realise there are literally only 3 combos that call the flop and turn that I beat. I was very fortunate that villain had one of them. If anyone else has a hand in which they went to showdown and won 21bb with 7 high, I'd love to see it. (Villain had )


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Fri May 10, 2013, 03:41 PM
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This was vs a lag who i wasnt prepared to give my money away to when he checked that turn he was also raising c bets every time so i had to show him how its done

KT utg is normally a hand il open in the CO but this table i had to get involved in it was full of fish
 

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