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2NL 6-max Zoom KK - Wed May 15, 2013, 11:23 AM
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Hi, the villain on the BB is unkown, and the button is playing 55/0 on 9 hands and AF of 0.33 ( although the number of hands is not enough to conclude on AF, we can see that he's losse passive).
I checked the Turn because it got dry, and there were 2 opponents still left to act. And decided to fold since the loose player showned strength ( I think two pair ).
Any thoughts ?



 
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Wed May 15, 2013, 10:44 PM
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As always just an opinion but this is what I think:

Before we get to the fold on the turn I'd like to say personally I'm betting more than half pot on the flop, probably at least $0.20 or so is better I think. My reason for this is we're good here most of the time and can extract value from these passive players when they've hit a piece of this flop. Also we're out of position and the board is a little bit wet with the Jack and Ten, meaning there are a few turn cards we won't like so much so don't give the villains a good price to draw.

Ok, so I wouldn't exactly be jumping for joy with the Queen on the turn as some draws got there and also may give some 2 pairs to the kind of range these passive players will play. But we have an over pair and are open ended so I still like our hand somewhat. I think checking for pot control is OK but when the button bets I'm calling all day long. If he really is playing a lot of hands and has a wide range he could be behind. I wouldn't say his range only consists of 2 pair or better, he could have Qx or Jx or even be semi-bluffing Kx, although less likely, in my opinion. And even when he does have 2 pair or even a straight we're still going to have some outs. Getting almost 3 to 1 to call as well with $0.40 for a pot of $1.15. Then once the river comes down we can re-evaluate depending on the river card and the villain's action if we need to. But giving up too easy here in my opinion.



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Wed May 15, 2013, 11:40 PM
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Hi fp,

You have HUD stats!

Agree on Button, 9 hands is no sample but calling preflop 5/9 times is pretty good circumstantial evidence he's a loose passive player.

So preflop, I like the raise over 2 limpers. I would even raise more here, to .12-.15c because 1) we're out of position and 2) we expect to get action regardless from the BB or one or both of the limpers, so I like to charge them more.

We get 2 callers and a decent flop. I agree with Fadyen on sizing our c-bet bigger... it's a board with 2 big cards that will hit their ranges well enough to give action, Jx, Tx, any draws are taking a card here, so charge them.

So you bet small and both call. Turn is a Q. This isn't the best card as it does interact with their flop calling ranges. QJ and QT just improved. On the flop side, QJ, KQ, and AQ all have just made a costly 2nd best hand. Against loose passive players I would bet again here, and either fold to a raise or call depending on the price (we do have an open ended straight draw now if behind).

As played I would check-call, I'm not folding. He could simply be betting because he was checked to. He could think his KQ or Q9 (or AQ) is good when you both check to him. If he does have 2 pair we have 8 outs to improve as well.

I understand where you're coming from, that he's probably passive and now is betting, but as this hand has played it's not enough to convince me we don't have a profitable call. Against a loose-passive player it's much better to bet for value and fold to a raise (or in this case call on the draw if the price is right). They will call with so many worse hands and not raise unless we're beat.


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Thu May 16, 2013, 12:25 PM
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Thansk Dave and Fadyen.
lol.. I actually have a tracker but it's a free and it doesn't work with zoom.. so for now I'm only using it to review the hands with the stats after since the HUD won't work on Zoom.
 
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Thu May 16, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Thansk Dave and Fadyen.
lol.. I actually have a tracker but it's a free and it doesn't work with zoom.. so for now I'm only using it to review the hands with the stats after since the HUD won't work on Zoom.
Which tracker? PT4 works with zoom/rush, but you have to turn it on. I'm pretty sure HM2 does as well.


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Thu May 16, 2013, 01:04 PM
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HEM2 HUD works with Zoom. I guess that FreeDB or other freeware HUD/trackers don't work with Zoom though.


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Fri May 17, 2013, 04:00 PM
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I was using the FreeDB just to record my winnings. But now I've moved to 5NL so I'm trying the Trial version of PT4. From now on I'll have HUD stats on my reviews lol.

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