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Bankroll Builder Promo - Sat May 18, 2013, 08:27 AM
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Hi,
I'd like to take advantage of the Bankroll Builder Promo!
Thanks!
 
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Sat May 18, 2013, 08:30 AM
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Hi,
I'd like to take advantage of the Bankroll Builder Promo!
Thanks!
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!

Be sure to read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.

>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!

Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables!

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Sun May 19, 2013, 02:22 PM
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Hello smith0000000,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.


After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.


Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!


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2. Question on a hand - Sun May 19, 2013, 04:21 PM
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In the hand shown below I had a trash hand on the big blind and was left against the small blind who just called pre-flop. Since the flop had no interesting patterns or high cards and since the opponent just checked i raised to make him fold. He called but on the turn he checked again. This time i also checked because i didn't want to put too much into a losing bet. On the river however he checked again so i raised aiming: 1) to have a chance of taking the pot if he folded because in a showdown my hand would surely lose; 2) if he paid and i lost - to make an impression that i like to fool around.

Is my logic correct?
Should i avoid such small blind - big blind bickering in real games?


PokerStars Hand #98815738126: Hold'em No Limit (1/2) - 2013/05/19 22:58:53 EET [2013/05/19 15:58:53 ET]
Table 'Oceana IV' 9-max (Play Money) Seat #8 is the button
Seat 3: Emilio BP58 (398 in chips)
Seat 6: smith0000000 (293 in chips)
Seat 8: SAIBA73 (2183 in chips)
shax786 will be allowed to play after the button
Emilio BP58: posts small blind 1
smith0000000: posts big blind 2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to smith0000000 [7d 2s]
miky.schumy joins the table at seat #2
wd409 leaves the table
SAIBA73 has timed out
SAIBA73: folds
mirsowasegal joins the table at seat #5
Emilio BP58: calls 1
smith0000000: checks
*** FLOP *** [6c 6h 4s]
Emilio BP58: checks
smith0000000: bets 2
Emilio BP58: calls 2
*** TURN *** [6c 6h 4s] [Kh]
Emilio BP58: checks
smith0000000: checks
*** RIVER *** [6c 6h 4s Kh] [8s]
luickyto joins the table at seat #4
Emilio BP58: checks
smith0000000: bets 6
Emilio BP58: folds
Uncalled bet (6) returned to smith0000000
smith0000000 collected 8 from pot
smith0000000: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 8 | Rake 0
Board [6c 6h 4s Kh 8s]
Seat 3: Emilio BP58 (small blind) folded on the River
Seat 6: smith0000000 (big blind) collected (8)
Seat 8: SAIBA73 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 
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Sun May 19, 2013, 06:26 PM
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Hello,

Please use the Hand Replayer ONLY to post hands, this is an important step in the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Instructions on how to use the Hand Replayer can be found in post #3 above.

Once you post your hand using the hand replayer we will move on from there

Cheers,

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Hand Replayer - Mon May 20, 2013, 12:17 PM
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Sorry about that!
Here's the hand again in the Replayer.
By the way i also passed the test.

I had a trash hand on the big blind and was left against the small blind who just called pre-flop. Since the opponent just checked i raised to make him fold. He called but on the turn he checked again. This time i also checked because i didn't want to put too much into a losing bet. On the river however he checked again so i raised aiming: 1) to have a chance of taking the pot if he folded because in a showdown my hand would surely lose; 2) if he paid and i lost - to make an impression that i like to fool around.

Is my logic correct?
Should i avoid such small blind - big blind bickering in real games?


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Mon May 20, 2013, 04:11 PM
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Sorry about that!
Here's the hand again in the Replayer.
By the way i also passed the test.

I had a trash hand on the big blind and was left against the small blind who just called pre-flop. Since the opponent just checked i raised to make him fold. He called but on the turn he checked again. This time i also checked because i didn't want to put too much into a losing bet. On the river however he checked again so i raised aiming: 1) to have a chance of taking the pot if he folded because in a showdown my hand would surely lose; 2) if he paid and i lost - to make an impression that i like to fool around.

Is my logic correct?
Should i avoid such small blind - big blind bickering in real games?


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Hi smith0000000

You played this hand ok, but you should not have put yourself in a situation where it was even remotely necessary. It is extremely important for the remainder of the bankroll builder promotion, as well as your own learning, that you play full ring tables that are actually filled up! From the Holdem Lobby, you can adjust the Filter to only show tables with 8 players. That way when you sit down all the seats are fulled up

With a full table you can be patient and wait for playable spots. Shortanded tables like the one here force you to play many more hands with marginal, or bad, hands. Strong reading/ranging skills become very necessary for this. These skills take practice and experience to develop. I suggest using your bankroll builder time to do just that.

As played 72o is about as weak as it gets. I would suggest checking preflop. If you flop a pair, then yes take a shot, but as you stated, you don't want to get overly invested in this hand.

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Mon May 20, 2013, 05:43 PM
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Ok, i played some more games at a full table. I think that i have fulfilled all 3 steps since i also passed the test.

Below is another hand i have questions on.
I decided to play KJ offsuite in a middle position. I got involved with a fairly large bet because i thought that the raising player was trying to steal the pot. On the flop i hit top pair but with a mediocre kicker. Still i decided to put a 30% raise because i still had suspicions that the original raising player had nothing. I was not sure about the second player who was not a loose one. So by raising i wanted to see their reactions while i still got a fair chance of winning. Since on the turn both opponents just checked i continued with the aggression - i just didn't think they were slow playing. It turned out ok.

My questions are:
Is it ok to play KJ offsuite in mid position in a fairly loose but aggressive table?
Was my raise on the flop ok (in terms of amount also)?
Was my going all in on the turn ok?




Last edited by smith0000000; Mon May 20, 2013 at 05:46 PM..
 
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Tue May 21, 2013, 06:05 AM
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Thanks for posting the hand, we'll have the hand analysis done shortly. Then I'll give you your first bonus followed by your next steps
 
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Tue May 21, 2013, 12:03 PM
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Hi smith0000000! I'll take a look at this hand.

KJ offsuit isn't really strong enough to play in this position. In play money games, I guess it's OK to over-limp, as players will enter the pot with much worse, but in real money games, I'd fold here. I've got some advice on which hands to raise with in certain positions on my blog here. When the big blind raises, I'm definitely folding. KJ is way behind the the sort of hands villains will make big raises with. I've got a blog about the hands you can call raises with here. (I even specifically say that KJ is not a hand you should call with.)
As played, you're one of two players that call the raise. You got a good flop, a K75 rainbow. The last raiser makes a minbet here. This generally indicates a weak hand. Since he raised pre-flop, he probably has a big ace or a pocket pair that missed. He'd make a bigger bet with AK, so I think you're ahead and I like your flop raise. You want to start building a pot worth winning, but you don't want draws to have a good price to suck out. I think I'd actually go all in right now, because the pot is 160 and you have 145 in your stack. You have much less than a pot-sized bet remaining on the turn, so going all in there is the right play. Villain has some outs, and a reasonably good price, but your hand holds this time and you drag a nice pot. Well played.

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Arty


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Tue May 21, 2013, 06:27 PM
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Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

Best of Luck!

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hand comments - Thu May 23, 2013, 05:31 PM
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I'd appreciate your comments on this hand.
Given the flop, I played it hoping that since no one in the later positions re-raised me pre-flop they wouldn't have stronger pairs than mine. I turned out wrong but would like to know if such a play would be statistically correct long term.


Last edited by smith0000000; Thu May 23, 2013 at 05:40 PM..
 
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step 2 completed - Fri May 24, 2013, 04:40 AM
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I passed the cash game quiz.

Three reasons to make a big bet are:
- bluff;
- gain value for a strong hand;
- protect against possible strong draws.

I believe i completed all three tasks.
 
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Fri May 24, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Great thanks for posting the hand, we'll provide the analysis here soon followed by your 2nd bonus and your next steps
 
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Fri May 24, 2013, 01:01 PM
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Hi again smith0000000! I'll take a look at this hand for you.

Pocket 9s is good enough to open in this early position, but only just. With so many players still with live cards, it's very likely that you'll get at least one caller, and the flop will often contain overcards to your pair. Here, the pre-flop action is very worrying: there are 3 callers, two of whom have position on you. You'll probably need to make a set to feel good about your hand.
The flop comes a two-tone 884. This is one of the better flops for your hand, since you have an overpair. In a multiway pot, though, you're likely to get some action. It's possible that someone has a random 8, and there is also a flush draw. If villains called pre-flop with random overcard hands like KJ, then they are probably folding to a bet (unless they have the flush draw) and that would be a good result for you, because most turn cards will be bad for your hand. So betting out is good. You might even get called by underpairs like 77 that see this as a safe flop (villains might put you on AK, so think their pair is good). Since the pot is multiway and you don't really want to get called, I like making quite a big bet here, to maximise fold equity. 18c into 26c is pretty good. Getting called in two spots is pretty horrible though. It's unlikely they both have underpairs or flush draws. Hands like TT are always calling on the flop, and anyone with trips or a full house is loving this board and action.
Since I'm no longer confident I'm ahead on the turn, I would check here, even though the is another undercard to our pair. There just aren't many worse hands that can call another bet. I might call a small bet, but usually I'd check-fold. I don't want to put money in the pot on all three streets with the worst overpair, when there are many hands that have us beat.
As played, you only had 50c left in your stack and the pot was 80c. If you're betting here, you have to go all in. Betting small doesn't get much value (and doesn't price out flush draws) and just leaves you committed to getting it all in on the river, even if it's a terrible card.
One villain folds on the turn (he probably had something like 55) meaning you're heads up on the river. The 4s is a very scary card, since it completes a backdoor flush and also means trip 8s just made a full house. This card actually saves you a bit of money, because villain can't bet his overpair for value on such a scary board.
I'm pretty shocked that villain shows KK. He played his hand terribly pre-flop. Calling with KK multiway is a recipe for disaster, as a big pair is much more likely to get cracked when there are multiple villains. He should have re-raised. You would have folded your 9s and lost the minimum. Post-flop, I think villain was kind of forced to slowplay. He couldn't be sure if he was ahead or behind on that board.

You were a bit unlucky in this hand, because villain shouldn't even have KK in his pre-flop calling range. If there's a lesson to be learned it's that you should be more cautious with overpairs in multiway pots. By all means bet the flop, but slow down on the turn if you get called. Try and get to a cheap showdown, as sometimes your hand will be good.

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Arty


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Fri May 24, 2013, 03:11 PM
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Hello smith0000000,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.


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Losing hand history - Mon May 27, 2013, 04:05 PM
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Hi again,
I successfully lost all the bonuses. Here are the worst losing hands:

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Mon May 27, 2013, 06:53 PM
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Sorry to hear you had a bad streak, we'll have those hands looked at soon so please check back here for the analysis.
 
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Mon May 27, 2013, 07:28 PM
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Hi smith0000000! Let's race through these 5 hands and see if we can find ways to improve your play.

1. You have 77 in the big blind facing a minraise and a call. This is a perfect spot to call and go set-mining. The flop comes 553. There's a bet and a call, and then you decide to check-raise, with a minraise to 12c. There are two issues here. Firstly, a minraise doesn't price villain out of trying to hit a draw if he has one. Secondly, it's hard to get called by worse if you raise here. Calling is preferred. You have an overpair, but not a great one. Villain calls the raise, so I'd be very worried he can beat a pair of 7s, as hands like JJ-88 are in his range. It's also possible he called pre-flop with A5s or 65s and is crushing with trips. The turn 5 means villain either made quads, or has a full house. It's really hard to get away from your hand here, but you're literally only beating 66, 44, 33 and 22. Sure enough, villain calls down with TT and drags the pot. In future, try not to get too attached your own hand. Start thinking about what hands a villain can have. If he's more likely than not to have you beat, try and keep the pot small.

2. You have AA and relatively short stack. Villain opens UTG, so he probably has a big hand. I'd just make a normal 3-bet here to about 20c, because I don't want him to fold hands like AQ or TT. He actually has KK, so he obviously calls your shove. Unfortunately, he hits his 2 outer and wins your stack.

3. With 62s in the BB, it's fine to check and see the flop for free. With a flush draw, I'd actually lead out for half pot, as sometimes all the villains will fold on this ragged board, or you could make your flush and win a big pot. As played, there's a bet which you call and then there's a big raise. You no longer have good odds to chase the flush, and it's also possible that someone has a better flush draw. I'd fold now. Weirdly, the raiser only bets small on the turn, so you have a better price to call this time. You don't hit the flush on the river, so the guys with top pair takes the pot. It's noteworthy that one villain check-raised the flop with total air. I'd be watching out for this guy, as he seems like a maniac who will spew off his chips with junk.

4. You have QQ facing a minraise in EP. You re-raise (3-bet) but you made it a minraise. You've got to get out of this habit. Minraises give villains good odds to call with worse hands. Get more value for your hand by always raising at least three times the size of the first bet. Here villain puts in another raise. This 4-bet is a sign that he has a monster. Unless he's a maniac, he'll show up with KK or AA quite often. At worst he'll have AK. Since you only need to call another 8c, you can call here, but you should be set-mining. If you don't hit a set of queens, you're still losing to KK+. The flop is low cards and villain checks. You bet and he minraises. This is a trap. He has you beat. Check-raises are a tell of a very strong hand. I don't really blame you for calling (it's only a minraise), but when the turn comes an ace, it's game over. Even AK got there. There's nothing you beat, so when shoves the river, you can't call. Villain played this hand a really weird way, but he got paid in full by trapping.

5. With AA on the button, facing a raise and a call, a big raise is in order. You didn't minraise this time (hurray!) so villain is making a mistake by calling. Your raise means you are committed to stacking off on the flop. Unfortunately, villain had a big draw on the flop with the nut flush draw, two overs and a backdoor straight draw. It's pretty sick that he got there via a runner-runner. There's not a lot you can do there. You played this hand perfectly. Villain made a bad call and got very lucky.

Let's hope you do better with the next stage of the promo!
Cheers,
Arty


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Tue May 28, 2013, 05:26 AM
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Hello smith0000000,

Your third Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, now see what you can do!

There are three ways in which you can earn your fourth bonus:

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 3rd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 4th bonus. Let us know if you hit that target.
2) If you lose your 3rd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonus from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

All the best at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any queries.


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