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Raising pre with less than premiums in micro stakes LHE - Fri May 24, 2013, 02:55 PM
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After reading this post it got me thinking as to why we raise pre flop in Limit Holdem.

In NL, we raise to isolate, build the pot and charge our opponents a premium for our holdings but in FL where our raise is 1BB then we rarely achieve all those things because our opponents want to see if they hit the flop.

In micro stakes limit we can't thin the field because as we all know if there's a chip in the pot then our opponents will call to the river. This is great, we can tighten our range and bet them to the river. The big flaw in this is that we only hit the flop 1 time in 3 and when we are faced with 2 opponents or more then it's likely they will hit the flop and all we've achieved is building the pot for them.

I'm not advocating never raising. I just feel that by raising we need to know what we are going to achieve. If our opponents never fold and we have several of them then I think the A9s hand above is better played as a drawing hand, limp in, hit big or get out.

I know this goes against the grain for limit thinking but I am talking about micro stakes only. If our opponents show any sort of thinking then we can adopt our game to beat theirs.

Any thoughts?

BTW it's good to see an interest developing in Limit Poker.

Last edited by Ovalman; Fri May 24, 2013 at 05:55 PM.. Reason: changed NL to FL
 
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Fri May 24, 2013, 03:56 PM
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Hey Oval!

Here's the way I went about it before Black Friday, as I played the 2/4 and 5/10 tables for a good number of hours.

If there were multiple opps (more than 3) that would auto-call a raise, then I'm raising premiums and the next tier or two lower. Reason being was that since I only hit 33% of the flops, if my chips end up being less than 33% of what's in the pot... I'm going to come out ahead in the long run. I used to look for tables with 4-5 stations, which were not that hard to find, and then I'm raising pre most of the hands I'm playing. Yes, on 2/3 of the hands, I'm losing an extra BB, but in the hands that I win (say 25% since I'll lose some when I do hit the flop)... I'm making 4-5 BB just from the preflop bet, let alone any further bets in the hand.

This may not bet the best way to go about it, but it was something that worked for me.

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Fri May 24, 2013, 05:44 PM
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Hi John, are you referring to 2c/4c or $2/$4 tables?

I've noticed a few things while playing these absolute micro stakes.

Players won't fold if they've any chips in the pot, this include SB, BB and in any other position.
They still usually call if there's a 3 or 4 bet in front of them.
They never fold a flop because it's only a small bet.
They will call any A, bottom pair, draw or gutshot to the river.

I see what you mean about stations though. I've been table selecting for the highest average pots, this usually means maniacs and not stations so you've gave me food for thought. Maybe my thread should mean when we have loose aggressive's at our table.
 
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Fri May 24, 2013, 06:03 PM
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Oval,

4 cent and 10 cent tables. I agree with you on the maniacs though. Against them, call until you get a made hand then borrow the auto-raise button.

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Fri May 24, 2013, 06:23 PM
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heey oval i kinda agree with you. btw limit holdem got me addicted to the game again :P i think im in love with this kind of poker it is never boring and there is still so much to learn. and john i have played a ltile of the play money tables still the same as befor black friday :P. thanx for all your input in all the pso threads and this one aswell. hope that you and your fellow Amaricans will be able to play soon.


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Fri May 24, 2013, 06:34 PM
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Ado,

When I'm playing cash games in casinos, while I've played $1/$2 or $1/$3 NL a few times.... my normal game's $3/$6 limit (either with or without a kill). Most of those tables are people about double my age too.

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Fri May 24, 2013, 07:52 PM
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heey john whats a kill? kinda funny i hope to be the young student who figures the game out and destoys everybody :P best of luck in your games.

and btw ovalman i just thought about something. if we raise pr flop with our decent hands the are even less likely to fold post flop because the the bets are even smaller compared to the pot


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Fri May 24, 2013, 08:16 PM
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A kill is when the same player wins 2 pots in a row. The stakes then DOUBLE until a different player wins a pot. 3/6 kill turns into 6/12 if it's a kill pot.

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