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Bankroll builder - Mon May 27, 2013, 02:16 PM
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I would like to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.
 
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Mon May 27, 2013, 02:27 PM
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Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!


Be sure to read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.


>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!


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Mon May 27, 2013, 06:40 PM
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Hi ePriit,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!
NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.


After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.
Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.


Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basics Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.
So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!


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Tue May 28, 2013, 12:28 AM
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Board was very loose. Was my raise and shove all in right play to defend my set?

I finished poker basics.
 
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Tue May 28, 2013, 01:52 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Tue May 28, 2013, 08:53 AM
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Hi ePriit!

With 77 on the button and 3 limps in front of me, I'm going to make a standard raise, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper. Due to this, I will raise to 12 chips.

I flop middle set with 5 opps in the pot and a possible flush draw. Before me, one opp bets 42 that is called and here I need to raise to get value for my set and also to try to give the opps that are drawing to the flush, the wrong odds to do so. With 4 or more opps in the pot, my standard bet here would be a pot-sized raise to 198... however, this is well over 1/3 of my stack, which means that I'm pot-committed if I make this bet. Due to this, I need to SHOVE the flop.

You played this hand VERY WELL! Keep it up and good luck at the tables.

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Tue May 28, 2013, 11:12 AM
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Excellent!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.
Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game Course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

Best of Luck!


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Tue May 28, 2013, 05:03 PM
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1a) This hand I wasn't really sure hot to bet post flop. In the end I think I should have focused on pot control



1b) I finally hit a monster on somewhat dry board and bet for value. River was particularly good in case villain was waiting for an Ace



2) Players bet big 1. for value 2. to protect hand from draws 3. to put pressure on others and make them fold

3) I passed the cash game test
 
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Tue May 28, 2013, 06:50 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Tue May 28, 2013, 07:22 PM
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Hi ePriit! Let's take a look at these two cash hands.

1. A6s in the cutoff is just about good enough to open for a raise, with the intention of stealing the blinds. This isn't the sort of hand I want to play a big pot with if I just make one pair. I'd rather flop the nut flush draw than one pair most of the time, as the kicker is pretty useless. As played, the big blind calls and then checks on the ragged looking T52 flop. I think making a c-bet is the right idea, with the plan being to give up if we get called and don't improve (or pick up some outs) on the turn. Half pot is enough to achieve the desired effect. There are no good draws on this board, so villain is likely only calling with a made hand like Tx, or maybe a random pocket pair like 88.
I don't see any reason to put any more money in the pot when the turn is the 8s. Villain either improved his hand, or this card doesn't scare anything that called on the flop. If you had a flush draw, then betting the turn would be good. When the 7s hits the river, it completes a couple of draws. The backdoor flush got there and a couple of straights also completed. If villain has a big hand here, he'd usually bet out. I'd recommend checking behind, because your ace high has a little bit of showdown value. Making a small bluff would make sense if you think villain is capable of folding a pair, but I don't normally give 2NL players that much credit. Tx, 88 and 77 are certainly calling. As played, you bet and villain check-raises. This is very fancy play by him. You have an an easy fold, but villain would be missing value if he had a flush and you checked behind. He should have just led out, since there was no guarantee you would make another stab. River check-raises are very rare, and represent hands that are close to the nuts, so you could fold a hand as strong as TPTK in this spot.

2. I don't exactly love completing the small blind with KTs, even though you have excellent pot odds, because you'll have to play the hand out of position post-flop, which will mean it's hard to get value if you flop a monster. It's not terrible, however, provided you don't go too crazy if you just make one pair. As played, 3 villains see the flop with you and you make top pair. Since no one raised pre-flop, it's fine to lead out for value, as you can get called by worse hands and draws. Half pot is OK, but I'd go with closer to 70% of pot, because it's multiway so we're more likely to get action. Two callers see a turn, where you make trips. A bigger bet is appropriate now. It's unlikely you're losing, because AT would usually have raised pre-flop. There's a flush draw on the board now, so you get more value. I like your bet size here. Only one caller this time, so you're heads up on the river. The ace shouldn't change much. Villain shouldn't have hit it unless he picked up the nut flush draw on the turn with something like As5s. A valuebet of half pot should be fine. With any luck you'll get called by hands like A5, JT and QT. Nice hand, well played!

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Arty


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Tue May 28, 2013, 07:57 PM
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Hi ePriit,

Fantastic!

Your next Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving this bonus and you will automatically be credited with the next bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your this bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Fri May 31, 2013, 07:32 PM
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Hey, I busted out. Posting my losses at the last table.



 
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Fri May 31, 2013, 07:39 PM
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I also had these hands before.





biggest pot I won was 1.59
 
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Sat Jun 01, 2013, 12:39 AM
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Thank you for posting these hands for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at them for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once they've been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Sat Jun 01, 2013, 11:27 AM
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Hi again ePriit! Let's take a look at these 4 hands.

1. You 3-bet with KK vs an EP raiser and manage to get it all pre, which is fine. He shows AA, so it's a cooler. You flopped a set, but he hit his own 2-outer. I wouldn't worry too much about this hand. On a full ring table, when you have KK, a villain will have AA about 4% of the time. You just have to accept that this situation will come up every now and then. Remember that the roles will be reversed sometimes and you'll be the guy with AA that stacks a villain's kings.

2. With AK in the SB facing a minraise and a call, you make it 16c, which is a great size for the 3-bet. The big blind flat calls, which is weird, and the first raiser shoves. While it's possible he has you crushed with KK+, I think he also minraises other random pairs. There is so much dead money in the pot that it's not a huge mistake to get your short stack in here, as you only need about 35% equity to make money in this spot. It's really weird that the BB also gets it in with 98s... and manages to suck out.

3. This is an interesting one. The UTG player raises 4bb, so he is likely to have a very strong hand. You 3-bet with AA, which is a good idea, because I think you can get stacks in pre-flop quite often. Villain just flat calls, which is a bad play. (Calling 3-bets out of position is a big leak. See my blog.) Most of the time I think he has QQ or JJ here, because villains often think "My hand is not strong enough to 4-bet, but it seems too strong to fold" so they call. Against your range (which is super-strong, because you just 3-bet vs UTG), they should actually be folding those hands.
The flop comes KQT, which is a horrible flop for AA in this spot. I would be very worried villain has QQ (and sometimes TT) and made a set. Villain donks out with a pot-sized bet. If stacks were much deeper, I could fold AA here, but the stack to pot ratio is very low in this 3-bet pot. It's generally not a mistake to stack off with top pair/overpair in a 3-bet pot for 100bb effective, because villain will be just as pot-committed as you. He can also show up with AK or JJ here, which you're beating.
You get it in and he shows AJ for the flopped nuts. That just sucks. Villain should never have been seeing the flop with that hand. Faced with a 3-bet pre-flop, he should have folded. The majority of the time, he's going to miss the flop, so calling the 3-bet OOP is a big mistake.

4. You raise AK in MP and get flatted by the CO. Flop comes QQJ. This is a good flop to c-bet, as villain is likely to have missed. He actually raises, so you have to give him credit for a made hand. He'll usually have a queen or a jack here. He might even have QJ for a flopped boat, but I'd expect him to slowplay that. Villain actually just minraises here, which means you have a bargain price to chase your draw. It's really tempting to call this bet, but I think a fold is better. If villain has AQ or KQ, you're "reverse dominated", so hitting your ace or king will be no good, as he'll make a boat, and your gutshot outs with the 10 might also be no good, as villain might have QT. It's often a mistake to chase straights/flushes on paired boards, because you can be drawing dead to a full house.
As played, you call the minraise and you hit the T on the turn. Here, you decide to lead out. I don't like this play. You should check to the last raiser to see what he does. Villain minraises you again. He's saying that he's not scared by the T. He thinks he has the best hand. It's really hard to fold the nut straight, but villain is repping a full house, which would mean you are drawing dead.
You call and the river is a jack. This actually saves you some money. If villain didn't already have a full house, he definitely does now. He flips over KQ, so you did actually take the lead on the turn, but I would much prefer a disciplined fold on the flop.
When a villain raises you post-flop, even if it's a minraise, he's telling you he has you beat. Unless you have a strong draw (OESD or flush draw) and the board isn't paired, you should should give respect to these raises and fold anything but a monster hand. If you have just ace high, folding is definitely wise.

Hope this helps. Better luck with the next stage of the promo!
Cheers,
Arty


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Tue Jun 04, 2013, 12:44 AM
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I run into KK



and lost with KK to QQ a JJ

 
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Tue Jun 04, 2013, 10:35 AM
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Thank you for posting these hands for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at them for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once they've been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Tue Jun 04, 2013, 12:18 PM
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I run into KK



and lost with KK to QQ a JJ

Hi ePriit

First hand Preflop raising as you did is fine. The ep limp usually means a pocket pair. However, when he reraises you I would suggest folding. This looks like he is slowplaying AA or KK. Your hand isn't stong enough to continue. Had your cards been suited, AND you had a read on hte villain as being a bit agro then perhaps we could continue. However folding is normally best.

The flop looks great with trip As. However, the villain's preflop line really looks like AA or KK. Three As are accounted for, so we can be fairly confident the villain has KK when he raises your bet. This is a rare spot where folding trip As would be the best choice.

Note: picking up on the limp-raise preflop line comes with experience. So, I understand getting all in here. Don't sweat this one. But, now you are aware of this ploy. So, keep an eye out for it in the future

PS: I don't recommend using this line yourself. Raise your strong hands preflop every chance you get. Don't open limp ever.

Second hand As I mentioned above. I would recommend 4-betting preflop rather than calling. Since both villain's are short stacked, I would just put them all in. Big pairs like KK play best against a single opponent and we don't want to see an A on the flop and get lost postflop.

Either way, you got it in good. This will be very profitable in the long run. "Right move, wrong result" Don't worry about it. It happens, but you will win more often than you lose. Also, note that KK and AA are the only two hands you should be calling preflop all in raises with.

I hope you get some rungood going in your next session

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Fri Jun 07, 2013, 10:58 AM
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Congratulations!

As you've earned enough VPP's we have awarded you with all your Bankroll Builder buy-ins and you have successfully completed the promotion, good job!
You are always welcome to post any troublesome hands in the hand analysis forums in the Poker Education section.

Also it is a good idea to review some of the content on Bankroll Management at this point.

Keep in touch with us and let us know how your poker journey continues.

Joss


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Wed Jun 12, 2013, 03:08 PM
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Hi, thank you for the promotion. I was not doing so good in full-ring although, playing around 10% PFR and got outdrawn. It was also hard to get good reads on villains. So after I got my final bonus and at about 1500 hands I went for 6-max 1/2c where I could play much more aggressive (PFR 20+%)

So..

1) choose good table
2) if you think you're beat, shut down

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