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Not Sure If This Fold Was Good? - Mon Jun 03, 2013, 10:07 AM
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One of my biggest Cash Game leaks I think is that I call too often with poor top one-pair or two-pair hands when obviously I'm behind to a set or better. Here's an example of one of those rare times I decided to fold. I had no reason to doubt that this player was a solid player and I put him on a set here.

Very little hands on him, here's some stats:

GENERAL PREFLOP

High VPIP:11 / 45 for 24.4%(avg 21.1%)

High Preflop Raise:9 / 45 for 20.0%(avg 16.1%)

Normal 3Bet:1 / 20 for 5.0%(avg 6.3%)

Very Low Squeeze:0 / 3 for 0.0%(avg 2.8%)

What do you think, should I have called this shove?

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Mon Jun 03, 2013, 10:35 AM
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Hi royalraise,

I think you should have gone for the 4bet preflop and be ready to get in vs a shove. There is no reason to give away initiative even with a hand as strong as AK.

As played, I would have checked to him and planned to call down. You just put yourself in a bad spot by disguising the strength of your hand. I don't think I can come up with a clear response on calling or folding.
Primarly, I think the bad spot came up because you flatted a 3bet with AKs OOP.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013, 02:05 PM
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Hi Paul,

I too prefer to 4/b and get it in if he 5-bets. 4b to about 4.75 imo.

As played, I also agree with check-calling post flop. What are we getting value from by being aggressive now? KK/QQ aren't going to call us down I don't think. AA and JJ beat us. AQ we get value from either way. Betting the flop is ok as we might get put on a flush draw donking into the PFR and get called by QQ one time, but I'm not optimistic we can barrel and get paid off, so I would check the turn and call a bet. If the turn goes check/check, then we can bet the river for value and expect to get paid by QQ on all blank rivers trying to snap our bluffs.

As played I think folding is fine, this seems like a value shove to me so we are tied or beat a ton. Although we might sometimes fold to AQ here often I think AQ just calls us down and doesn't shove.


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Wed Jun 05, 2013, 05:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by geoVARTA View Post
Hi royalraise,

I think you should have gone for the 4bet preflop and be ready to get in vs a shove.
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Originally Posted by TheLangolier View Post
Hi Paul,
I too prefer to 4/b and get it in if he 5-bets. 4b to about 4.75 imo.
Thanks guys,

Now that it's been said this makes perfect sense. I think I need to look at my preflop actions and find more profitable spots to 4-bet, this seems to have been an missed opportunity.

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