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KK - 2.5x Raise and 79BB PSO SOP Hand - Mon Jun 03, 2013, 05:15 PM
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This hand comes from a recent PSO SOP tourney. It's a $0.55 9-max shootout and we are ~1 orbit into round 2. My VPIP is 0 so far. I pick up KK UTG.



I can never put him on AA here so I should never fold. Agree? I would also love some thoughts on what my opponent might have been thinking.

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Mon Jun 03, 2013, 06:00 PM
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I would have raised a little bigger but I guess that doesnt really matter given what happened after, the shoving was going to happen regardless.

As for what he was thinking, I dont think he was thinking anything, it was horrifically bad play to shove 75bb with AQ. You were a big favourite against his holding but got sucked out on. I would call here 100% of the time as the play looks so weak. It looks like a hand that doesnt want to see a flop.

Maybe he didnt want to play the tournament or had somewhere to be.

Hopefully you get the 'right' result next time.
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013, 06:36 PM
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Hi Jcrondps!

With KK from UTG, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so I will raise to 60. I do not want to raise less than this, as I can be giving opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me.

I then get an out of line, abnormally large shove. A standard raise for them would be to 3X my bet and is a problem for them, as they are going to fold out all worse hands and only get called by better (value-owning themselves).

With KK here, I'm snap-calling this, as there is only 1 hand I'm behind and if they have it, so be it. Calling here is a +EV play here every single time, regardless.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)

P.S. I want opps that play like this. They will win a bunch of small pots, then when the opps wake up with a hand, they will value-own themselves and double you... I make notes on players that make moves like this all the time and everyone is labeled ATM
They may get lucky every once in a while, but they will never win long-term making plays like this.


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Mon Jun 03, 2013, 06:58 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by JWK24 View Post
Hi Jcrondps!

With KK from UTG, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so I will raise to 60. I do not want to raise less than this, as I can be giving opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me.

I then get an out of line, abnormally large shove. A standard raise for them would be to 3X my bet and is a problem for them, as they are going to fold out all worse hands and only get called by better (value-owning themselves).

With KK here, I'm snap-calling this, as there is only 1 hand I'm behind and if they have it, so be it. Calling here is a +EV play here every single time, regardless.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)

P.S. I want opps that play like this. They will win a bunch of small pots, then when the opps wake up with a hand, they will value-own themselves and double you... I make notes on players that make moves like this all the time and everyone is labeled ATM
They may get lucky every once in a while, but they will never win long-term making plays like this.
Thanks for the reply. I have no doubt my call was correct I'm just trying to understand the shove. It made 0 sense, as he has max of 30% equity of anything I call with. I would normally 3x that early in a tourney. My attention was a little divided due to an error in the tourney structure. The result would have been the same but still a lesson for next time not to let things like that throw me off. :p
 
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Mon Jun 03, 2013, 07:01 PM
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It made 0 sense
I agree.


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