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5nl zoom TPTK on monotone flop - Sat Jun 08, 2013, 06:29 AM
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Praydk's Avatar
Since: Mar 2012
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villain unknown
On the flop it seemed to me that he has a flush draw with an Ace or King of clubs, although he could very much raise that big with a set/two pair to defend, could he? I believe his range is Acx, KcX, QJ, JJ, so was my call good enough here if I was counting only on his flush draws, or is his range here wider?

On the turn, I think he would not bet with the full house+ if he had 55/JJ/QQ, so the flush draw was all thats left. But,
if the turn wasn't a 5, what do I do? call because he's committed and there is enough chance that he has a flush draw or give him more credit for a two pair/set?
 
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Sat Jun 08, 2013, 08:02 AM
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Hi Praydk,

Against unknown I wouldn't 3bet here. If I don't have information that someone will call 3bets light then I wouldn't 3bet my AQ. What would you plan to do if you get 4bet? I don't like to get 4bet and not know what to do or have to fold my hand that would have played well postflop against a steal range especially when we are suited.

As played, I'd cbet this flop maybe even make it 0.63$ and plan to fold to a raise because we are OOP in a 3bet pot where the SPR is low and calling here will leave us open to further betting on later streets with little to no chance to improve. I think on this kind of board, it is okay to get bluffed. And with no information on our opponent we will be playing a guessing game.

I tried to plug in some hands that make sense with his line into pokerstove and against a range of { QQ-JJ, 55, AcTc, KcTc, QJs, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, AcKd, AcKh, AcKs, AcQd, AcQh, AcQs, AcJd, AcJh, AcJs, AcTd, AcTh, AcTs, KcQd, KcQh, KcQs } we have roughly 27% equity.

Also look at his flop raise sizing and the $ he has left. I think FDs don't necessarily need to raise here, they float. But made small flushes and sets are always raising for value and to protect from a naked club.
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2013, 03:19 PM
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Hi Praydk,

I agree with geo about 3betting an unknown as well as bet-folding the flop. This doesn't seem like a good spot to commit all our chips with tptk.

I'm also curious about your range on the villain. Why can't he have flopped a flush? From the villain's perspective, you 3-bet preflop which says you have a strong hand. Then you lead out on the flop which says you still like your hand. This spot seems pretty polarized from the villain's point of view. Either you have a strong hand and will call a large raise, or you missed the flop and will (presumably) fold to any raise. The villain is getting max value by raising large. I would also include all sets. Many players just don't fold when they flop a set.

The same holds true on the turn. If I were the villain and just nailed a full house or quads, I would be betting/raising every chance I could because you have shown you are staying in the hand.

Quite often the villain will have exactly what his line looks like. Here it looks like a flush or better.

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Sun Jun 09, 2013, 11:34 PM
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thx guys
as for the flush, it's hard to make one on the flop, I usually don't believe someone for a flopped flush, it may be a leak probably should work on it
 

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