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bankroll builder - Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:15 AM
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hey.im hoping to build my bankroll...
 
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Sun Jun 16, 2013, 08:41 AM
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hey.im hoping to build my bankroll...
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Sun Jun 16, 2013, 01:48 PM
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okay.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:37 AM
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okay.
Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 06:51 AM
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hey raiser

ive watched the video and played in a ring game. i wonder if i should have tried to make the semi bluff more convincing in the following hand.



p.s. ive pass the basics quiz.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:10 AM
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hey raiser
i wonder if i should have tried to make the semi bluff more convincing in the following hand.
Hey There,

Lets take a look at your hand.

Starting Hand Strenght:

Your starting hand strenght here is poor. Ok, you are holding suited cards but this is often not very helpful post-flop. The cards are also of low value and most of the time the flop will not help you with these starting hands. Better to throw these away and move on.

Position:

You might be getting a good price to call these limpers but remember that you will be out of position post-flop against many players. This is not a good position to be in because your opponents have the advantage of seeing what your move will be before they take any action.

Bluffing:

In play money games and in micro-stakes real money games bluffing will not be profitable in the long term. Most players at this level only bet when they have a made hand. OK, it checked round to you and the turn card has given you a lot more outs but you still are not holding a MADE HAND and checking to see what your opponents do would be wiser. If they bet we should assume they have a made hand and we fold. If they check it back around then we get to see the river card without having to invest any more chips into the pot. We can then evaluate depending on what river card comes, in this case it hasn't helped us so it's an easy fold.

A semi-bluff would have been a much better option here if our hand had any showdown value at all but in this case it did not.

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:16 AM
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p.s. ive pass the basics quiz.
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

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Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 02:38 AM
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hey raiser.thanks for the input.one may make a big bet to get value for made hands or if a player has the nuts.one may also bet big if one wants to put pressure on opponents and make them act differently than they otherwise would.

ive watched the videos and i want your opinion on this particular hand.



ive also passed the cash game quiz.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 04:52 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 04:58 PM
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hey raiser.thanks for the input.one may make a big bet to get value for made hands or if a player has the nuts.one may also bet big if one wants to put pressure on opponents and make them act differently than they otherwise would.

ive watched the videos and i want your opinion on this particular hand.



ive also passed the cash game quiz.
Hi moskito159

There are two points worth noting in this hand. Firstly, this is your first hand at the table and you bought in out of turn. Never do this! I strongly advise you to check the "wait for big blind" button. You can use the time to start getting reads/notes on the other players. Paying out of turn only costs 1 bb, but this adds up fast. Normally you will not get playable hands and just be giving money away. There is no exception to this rule.

You were dealt AK which is a strong hand and the action folds to you in late position. Raising as you did is good. However, I would prefer making a standard 3bb raise to 6c. With such a good hand and position, you want to get a caller. Moreover, make sure you are not adjusting your betsize according to the strength of your hand. That would be an easy tell for opponents to pick up on and take advantage of. Betting standard sizes conceals your hand strength whether it be AA or 72o.

As far as the actual hand is concerned, I'm not sure where you had problems or questions. You raised and they folded winning you the blinds. Pretty standard.

For future hands, I would suggest you post hands in which you were unsure how to play, or hands where you lost your stack if that occurs. Even bette, include your notes/read on the villain

GL and have fun at the table

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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 06:48 PM
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ive also passed the cash game quiz.
Hello,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

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2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:04 AM
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this is a 0.01/0.02 usd nlhe table.was i right in folding this hand or should i have played it out? was the c bet after the flop a good play?

 
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Wed Jun 19, 2013, 02:53 AM
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was this a good fold? considering the amount of chips bet by the opponent on the river id say he hit a flush.alternatively should i have bet bigger when i was the clear favourite on the turn?


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Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:15 AM
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bad beat or bad play?

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this is a 0.01/0.02 usd nlhe table.i noticed that the opponent check-raised so i suspected a good hand but i shoved anyway.

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Wed Jun 19, 2013, 05:00 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:34 AM
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this is a 0.01/0.02 usd nlhe table.was i right in folding this hand or should i have played it out? was the c bet after the flop a good play?

Hi moskito159

Preflop is perfect with . The flop is not great with the A and the flush draw, neither of which help your hand. Ax hands are a big part of the villain's range. Worse the villain has postion on you making this a difficult spot. I like that you c-bet. C-betting is usually best against a single opponent. Remember, flops you find scary may be scary for the villain too. You bet sizing preflop and on the flop were great.

A read would help us interpret the villain's call on the flop. He might have an A or flush draw. But he might have a pocket pair or some random hand as well. The turn card fills the flush draw and makes a straight possible. There are two options for you now. Check-folding as you did is safe. You don't have any draws. So you are basically bluff catching if you continue. Not many beginners are able to lay down big starting hands like KK. Being able to do that is very promising for your future

However, by checking the turn, it does look like you are giving up on the hand. A better player may bet into you as a bluff expecting you to fold. Knowing if the villain makes moves like this is impossible without notes. His bet sizing is small though which often is a sign of weakness. It looks as if he may be bluffing, but doesn't dare risk a larger bet. To avoid getting bluffed off the hand, you could consider bet-folding the turn. For example leading with a 50% pot bet. If you get raised, then you know your hand is no good. If you get called then we should try to check down the river. This line can be profitable against loose-passive "calling stations". Against unknown players or tight aggressive players, folding on the turn as you did is best.

GL and have fun at the tables!

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Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:44 AM
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was this a good fold? considering the amount of chips bet by the opponent on the river id say he hit a flush.alternatively should i have bet bigger when i was the clear favourite on the turn?

Hi moskito159

is a weak hand. I would recommend folding preflop. Hands like this look good, but are hard to play post flop. Your cards are not suited or strongly connected so you will not be drawing to a flush or straight. Moreover, if you flop top pair as in this hand, you will often be out kicked by Q10,QJ,QK or QA. This can cost us a lot of money. If you flop a 9, you will rarely end up with top pair. All of these points makes folding these hands preflop the best option.

As played, I like how you played the hand. The all in river bet is very polarized. Either you are way ahead or way behind. Unless you have seen the villain do this as a bluff and actually seen his cards, I would always fold as you did. There are just too many combinations in his range that are beating you with better two pair, sets, striaghts and flushes.

Good fold

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Thu Jun 20, 2013, 02:52 AM
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bad beat or bad play?

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this is a 0.01/0.02 usd nlhe table.i noticed that the opponent check-raised so i suspected a good hand but i shoved anyway.
Hi moskito

Just like in the Q9 hand, is a weak hand that is hard to play post flop. You flop middle pair. Taking a shot at the pot is fine, but once we get called I would suggest check-folding the rest of the hand. The 7 on the turn helps you, but the villain may have a straight, or 10J for a better two pair.

In spots like this, especially when the pot is fairly small. I like to take a more passive line hoping to get to the showdown cheaply. You do have showdown value, but I would prefer a stronger hand to be risking my whole stack on.

I hope this helps

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:02 AM
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thanks roland.i see where ive been losing some money.
 
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Thu Jun 20, 2013, 05:41 AM
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thanks roland.i see where ive been losing some money.
Congratulations!

As you've made a deposit we have now awarded you with all your Bankroll Builder buy-ins and you have successfully completed the promotion, good job!

You are always welcome to post any troublesome hands in the >>Hand Analysis<< section.

Also it is a good idea to review some of the content on >>Bankroll Management<< at this point.

Keep in touch with us and let us know how your poker journey continues.

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