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Thank you - Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:01 AM
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love it when this happens to me on the BB


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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 10:52 AM
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Why the shove post-flop with over 30 big blinds?

Any pair Q's or better has you beat plus your opponent may be holding a flush draw or the gutshot draw (more unlikely but happened in this case)

You hit top pair on the flop, but I don't think that justified the shove here.

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:14 AM
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you are right i suppose just tried to get him off the hand


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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:31 AM
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you are right i suppose just tried to get him off the hand
Yep, I understand that and if I was really short-stacked (10 BB's or less) I would probably do the same, but not with 30 bigs as a better spot can easily come along within the next orbit or two.

Risking the bulk of your stack here to win so few chips doesn't seem worth it in this spot.

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 11:58 AM
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Hi nowhereman09!

I agree with Raiser. The majority of the time here, I'm outkicked, so I'm flatting or folding the flop. It's not worth the risk.

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 12:05 PM
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Have to disagree with you here JWK and Raiser.

His over raise is an online tell that I see a lot at micro stakes. Normally I'd say fold and wait for a better spot but I'm happy with your shove in this case.

Many players over raise with a marginal hand > gutshot/ bottom pair/ middle pair/ over cards. They are NOT over raising with top pair or stronger. We can deduce we are ahead here so I'm quite happy getting my chips in. They will fold the majority of the time but on this occasion they called needing to catch up. I don't think you done much wrong.

If you haven't already, chase this player up and stick a note on him. It will pay you long term calling in this spot. The result went his way so he's very likely to do the same mistake over and over again.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:20 PM
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oval arent you influenced by the cards you saw

300 pot you got top pair Js with a 4 as a kicker your opponent raises to 600 from the small blind after just calling/limping preflop.

dont think theres lots of reasons to throw chips in this pot even with top pair

edit: i see what you meant now reading it for the 3rd time nevertheless im staying with my statement

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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:33 PM
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I'm saying it's a readable tell that you can use to your advantage in micro stakes. Royalraise and JWK gave the correct answer but sometimes we have other information that can change our game.

Now the OP might not have made the same play because it was a tell but I'm saying it was the correct play. We are ahead 90% of the time in this spot.

This is a long term +EV play in this specific spot.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 01:58 PM
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Going with J4 in that spot is a high variance play.

The majority of Jx has us beat including J3. I know I am a nit but I am just never getting it in here.
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:27 PM
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Have to disagree with you here JWK and Raiser.

His over raise is an online tell that I see a lot at micro stakes. Normally I'd say fold and wait for a better spot but I'm happy with your shove in this case.

Many players over raise with a marginal hand > gutshot/ bottom pair/ middle pair/ over cards. They are NOT over raising with top pair or stronger. We can deduce we are ahead here so I'm quite happy getting my chips in. They will fold the majority of the time but on this occasion they called needing to catch up. I don't think you done much wrong.

If you haven't already, chase this player up and stick a note on him. It will pay you long term calling in this spot. The result went his way so he's very likely to do the same mistake over and over again.
OP over raised with top pair Villian just overbet
 
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Mon Jun 17, 2013, 04:33 PM
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Which screams "DON'T CALL ME"!

Yes, valid point and another tell but the re-raise was all in so villain can't call in this spot unless he has the goods. I think it's a far better play for hero to be making than villain to be calling

Sort of makes me want to make this play also on certain occasions... and I will, both bluffing and when I have the goods to balance the range.
 
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Tue Jun 18, 2013, 11:09 AM
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I should really had said that in previous hands this player did an identical move when i had 2 pair and he had nothing which i won .
Also that player was the next player to go out . i finished 2nd


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