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Bankroll Builder - Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:01 AM
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I want to take part in the Bankroll Builder promotion! (:
 
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Sat Jun 22, 2013, 10:06 AM
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Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!


Be sure to read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.


>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!


Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables!


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Sat Jun 22, 2013, 02:59 PM
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Hi janna59,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!
NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.


After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.
Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.


Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basics Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.
So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!


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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 12:43 AM
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I lost so much here! ): How could I have done better?
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 09:41 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Tue Jun 25, 2013, 06:00 PM
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Hi janna59! I'll take a look at the QQ hand and see if we can improve your play.

There are a couple of limpers, so making a raise with your premium hand is appropriate, and I think 6bb is about right. As is common in play-money games, your raise gets no respect, and lots of players call. This won't happen so often when you get on the real money tables, where you'll usually be heads up, meaning pocket pairs like QQ will win more often. In this family pot, QQ is unlikely to be best unless you hit a 2-outer and make a set of trips.
The flop comes AJ2, which is a bad flop for you. With so many opponents, it's almost certain that someone has an ace. Instead of checking to the raiser (you) a player donks out with a bet of 10 into 86, and there are several calls. When the action reaches you, the pot odds look tempting, because you only need to call 10 into a pot that will be 136, meaning you only need to win this hand 10/136 = 13.6% of the time. The problem is that you'll have to make a set, but with only two outs, you'll only improve on the turn about 4% of the time. Since you need to pay a greater proportion of the pot than your likely chance of winning it, you should fold immediately, minimising your losses. It's basically a mistake to call any bet when you only have 2 outs.
As played, you call, and the turn comes another deuce. You still only have second pair and are losing to any ace, let alone trips if someone has a 2. Everyone checks this time, and you decide to bet 110 into 136. Whether you realise it or not, you're turning your hand into a bluff. You're saying "I have a deuce, so you should fold top pair". There's no need to make this play. With QQ, you have some "showdown value". It might be the best hand, and you can get it to showdown cheaply by checking behind. When you make this big bet, you're usually only getting called by better hands than QQ. Ax and are always calling. Three players see the river with you, and it comes an ace. It's impossible for all three to have an ace, but someone must have one, and they will love this river, because they made a full house. One villain bets, another calls, and you decide to go all in. This makes no sense. A villain is never folding a full house, so you're giving your chips away. The river is a clear fold for me.
Sure enough, a villain shows AT and drags the pot. You win a small amount from the side pot, as another villain made a terrible call with 77.
The lessons to be learned here are to not get married to your hand if the board is no good for it, and also to try putting villains on ranges of hands. If they are likely to have your beat, don't make big bets. Be disciplined and give up when it seems you're not going to win. Save money by folding when you're beat.

Hope this helps!
To get more tuition on cash game basics, I recommend going to live training sessions for the Wednesday and Saturday Games if you can. You'll even be able to play alongside other PSO members in the Homegame club and get instant feedback on the way you play your hands. Good luck!

Cheers,
Arty


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Wed Jun 26, 2013, 12:59 AM
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Hi janna,

Please let us know when you have completed your basics quiz (and passed) and we will set you up with the next step!

Joss


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Thu Jun 27, 2013, 10:14 PM
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Hi Joss! I passed the quiz! (: How do I check my answers?
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 10:20 AM
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Excellent!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.
Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game Course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

Best of Luck!


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Tue Jul 02, 2013, 02:53 AM
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Can I check my answers for the Poker Basics quiz?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2013, 02:53 AM
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Should I have called the initial raise with 77? How could I have done better?
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2013, 04:12 AM
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Players may want to make big bets:

1) To put a lot of pressure on opponents
2) To bluff people off decent hands
3) To gain value from very strong hands
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2013, 05:51 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Tue Jul 02, 2013, 06:36 AM
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I passed the Cash Game quiz! (: How do I check my answers?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 06:44 AM
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Should I have called the initial raise with 77? How could I have done better?
Hi janna59!

With non-premium pocket pairs we are calling with the hope of flopping a set. This will happen about 1 out of 8 attempts. Therefore we need a few conditions in place to call with pairs preflop. Firstly, we want to see the flop cheap. The 5bb raise is a bit heavy. Calling a standard 3bb raise would be fine. Calling 5bb would be fine if the villain and you were deep stacked giving you the potential to win a large pot when you hit. Usually we want to be able to win 20x what we are paying preflop when set mining. So, 20 x 10c would be $2.00. We cant win that much from the villain. If several callers were in the hand we could still call. Here though I would prefer folding. Calling is not a huge mistake though.

You flop bottom set on a very wet board. The Q and J are in both villain's ranges. They fit well with many other hands for straight draws and there is a flush draw. It is very likely one if not both opponents like the flop. Also, the flop is dangerous for you because of all the draw potential. Therefore, I would suggest leading with a 70% pot bet. This gives any chaser poor odds thus protecting your set. It also gives you value because you are likely to get called if not raised.

Check-raising as you did is fine though. Nice hand

GL!

Roland GTX
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 10:25 AM
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Hi janna59,

Fantastic!

Your next Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving this bonus and you will automatically be credited with the next bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your this bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

Joss


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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 01:57 AM
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Hi Joss! How do I check my VPPs?
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 02:16 AM
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I lost everything with KK! ): How could I have done better?

Last edited by janna59; Thu Jul 04, 2013 at 02:20 AM..
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 06:24 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 06:54 AM
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I lost everything with KK! ): How could I have done better?
Hi janna59!

Big starting hands like AA and KK don't always win unfortunately. Here you start perfectly by opening with a 3x raise, but you get called by several opponents. Big pairs play best against fewer opponents, preferably just one, but this was out of your control.

C-betting the flop is perfect once again, but you get called by two players with deep stacks. Did you have reads on them? This would help put them on a range of hands. The flop is dry so a made hand such as 1 pair, two pair or a set seems more likely than a drawing hand.

The board pairs on the turn with two Qs. This is not good. Now Any Qx hand just got trips and is beating your kings. Hands such as AQ, KQ and JQ are the hands we expected to make the most money from. Now I would recommend being careful. You still may have the best hand, but our single pair is not strong enough to keep building the pot. Moreover, since there are no likely draws on the board, it is less dangerous giving a free card. I recommend checking the turn rather than betting. This allows you to get to the showdown more cheaply. Then you can call a smaller bet or check down the hand on the river.

KK is the second best hand preflop, but postflop we need to always consider the board and our opponent's actions. Normally I recommend waiting until you have a set or better before risking your entire stack postflop.

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX
 

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