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good fold? - Mon Jun 24, 2013, 05:46 AM
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i just got moved from tables accumulated this 3k stack from 1k and i get this hand with 2 players in front of me is this the right fold?

PokerStars Hand #100492709299: Tournament #750224980, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2013/06/24 11:40:14 CET [2013/06/24 5:40:14 ET]
Table '750224980 107' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: yanagorina (23130 in chips)
Seat 2: Prohorse3 (3000 in chips)
Seat 3: ReDaKtop (13680 in chips)
Seat 4: Speedy39 (14350 in chips)
Seat 5: Vinavat (3700 in chips)
Seat 6: guitarist68 (6412 in chips)
Seat 7: sharpAce007 (8008 in chips)
Seat 8: TONY VILLE (15940 in chips)
Seat 9: RusArt88 (4960 in chips)
yanagorina: posts the ante 50
Prohorse3: posts the ante 50
ReDaKtop: posts the ante 50
Speedy39: posts the ante 50
Vinavat: posts the ante 50
guitarist68: posts the ante 50
sharpAce007: posts the ante 50
TONY VILLE: posts the ante 50
RusArt88: posts the ante 50
Prohorse3: posts small blind 200
ReDaKtop: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Prohorse3 [9h Ad]
Speedy39: folds
Vinavat: raises 3250 to 3650 and is all-in
guitarist68: folds
sharpAce007: calls 3650
TONY VILLE: folds
RusArt88: folds
yanagorina: folds
Prohorse3: folds
ReDaKtop: folds


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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:56 AM
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I would fold to,
I think hand range of first raiser is too wide, you may see even T5o , but hand range of caller is more narrow,KJo at least.I would call first raiser''s shove without second caller. for me shoving unopened pot from late position with any two is better that calling two opponents with Ax isn't good game for me.
 
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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 08:03 AM
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i forgot to add this is the $2.20 Hot (turbo)

indeed i was looking for HU pot with this hand at least and rather a short stack then someone who has a decent 20BB stack and has more room to manoeuvre.


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Mon Jun 24, 2013, 07:04 PM
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since my other hand hasnt been reviewed yet by an Analyzer ill give them another head cracker

This is a $1.50 18 man Turbo at the final table it would have important for me to cash in this game due to Battle of planets points anyway im wondering if i made the right call by reshoving here

PokerStars Hand #100525019810: Tournament #751871400, $1.32+$0.18 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2013/06/25 0:36:13 CET [2013/06/24 18:36:13 ET]
Table '751871400 1' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: JB0815007 (1565 in chips)
Seat 2: PabloPoke (2660 in chips)
Seat 3: maurimax1234 (2635 in chips)
Seat 4: volhuis546 (3300 in chips)
Seat 5: demarest50 (4657 in chips)
Seat 7: yakobo77 (2505 in chips)
Seat 8: DanielGest (5610 in chips)
Seat 9: Prohorse3 (4068 in chips)
JB0815007: posts the ante 25
PabloPoke: posts the ante 25
maurimax1234: posts the ante 25
volhuis546: posts the ante 25
demarest50: posts the ante 25
yakobo77: posts the ante 25
DanielGest: posts the ante 25
Prohorse3: posts the ante 25
volhuis546: posts small blind 100
demarest50: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Prohorse3 [Ad Qd]
yakobo77: raises 2280 to 2480 and is all-in
DanielGest: folds
Prohorse3: raises 1563 to 4043 and is all-in
JB0815007: folds
PabloPoke: folds
maurimax1234: folds
volhuis546: calls 3175 and is all-in
demarest50: folds
Uncalled bet (768) returned to Prohorse3


Thanks in advance!


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Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:43 AM
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Hi,
I checked it with SNG wizard it's fold without any reads call from JJ+.
 
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Tue Jun 25, 2013, 12:06 PM
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Hey Prohorse3

The first hand is definitely a fold imo. I may consider calling the first shove depending on villains stats but once he get's called then we have to assume that our hand is not good and we are more than likely drawing to 3 outs and considering we don't have any chips we can't afford to take this risk. We can simply fold and find a much better spot to get the money in.

I like the way you played hand 2. Shoving is the only correct play in this spot. we have yakobo77's 12 bb shove range crushed but when our iso shove get's called I have to imagine tat were flipping a lot and our sometimes behind to AK but that doesn't matter, that's a cooler. Well played.

Cheers, Chris,
 
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Tue Jun 25, 2013, 01:33 PM
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Thanks Chewme1 i expected as such and now i have the confirmation, learning process is beginning

funny thing is on both hands it ended up bad not on 1 the A9 was by far the best hand i got after that
and the A9 would have been winning vs 95off and 109suited, Mostly i would be behind in this spot so i shouldnt be affected with the idea i made a bad play here.

The AQsuited had to take a good beat against 1010 intial raiser and behind me the 3.2K stack has KK

Here i wanted to see if i didnt made the wrong move, And i liked my reshove aswell trying to isolate him would have worked and won me the pot if it wasnt for the KK.
But i think Shichi is wrong either a fold in this position wouldnt hurt me either it was the position i should try to account with right? i did last a nice while even after this Bite!
50%fold
50%shove (isolate)


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Wed Jun 26, 2013, 06:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Prohorse3 View Post
But i think Shichi is wrong either a fold in this position wouldnt hurt me either it was the position i should try to account with right? i did last a nice while even after this Bite!
50%fold
50%shove (isolate)
I think calling 75% and folding 25% would be best 'assuming that it's folded to you'
Most players will be shoving very wide in Vinavat's shoes but some aren't. All good players will be shoving wide enough to make the A9 a call awwwwwwwwl day but you do come across some very tight guys that don't shove a 10 bb stack from early position without something decent so for that reason I'd say calling 75 to 80% of the time is best. Without stats or reads I'm getting it in every time.

Chris.
 

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