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FR: I shove UTG-1 T9o 13bb– Correct? - Fri Jun 28, 2013, 04:51 PM
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Villains: 38/0, 56/20, 27/9 – so really happy to call

My image: tight (most of them, probably did not notice)

Players left 2k (out of 15k) - I have around 13bb – Only top 50 gets a price. Average stack probably was like a 7k.



Why I decided to shove:
1. It was a limp happy table with some small size raising. To be first to raise was a rare opportunity.
2. My image (if someone noted) was tight.
3. Very loose players around me were really big stack, so I wanted to shove with some credible stack.

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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:14 PM
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I would shove too with 5m the worst thing to do losing fold equity. after next bb it will happen and even AA won't help to my position in tourney.
 
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Fri Jun 28, 2013, 06:26 PM
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I would shove too with 5m the worst thing to do losing fold equity. after next bb it will happen and even AA won't help to my position in tourney.
Loose table = loose calls and every opponent after us has us covered. I'd rather push any Ax or PP in this spot or be suited at worst. BTW suited only improves our hand by about 3% but I think it matters in spots like this.

I'm folding.
 
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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 04:03 AM
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Loose table = loose calls and every opponent after us has us covered. I'd rather push any Ax or PP in this spot or be suited at worst. BTW suited only improves our hand by about 3% but I think it matters in spots like this.

I'm folding.
And position is CO not UTG-1
And whats the plan after folding? I never mind if I'm busted so short stacked

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reply - Sat Jun 29, 2013, 11:59 AM
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With what you have said i feel this is a fold, with the stats you gave we are likely to get called by 2 villians alot of the time. 9T is not the worst hand but i see alot of hands that have us dominated calling from these players AT and others similar. Also we are likely to have to avoid overcards, so i would most probably give it another round possibly 2 and see if i can pick up a hand because if we do we are likely to get paid , so why give them the chance to knock us out when i think if we wait we could end up sitting pretty. ! !


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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 12:53 PM
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And position is CO not UTG-1
And whats the plan after folding? I never mind if I'm busted so short stacked
I never mentioned position?

We still have a bit of play in our stack, we're not on the drip yet. I'd wait on a better spot but each to his own.
 
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Sat Jun 29, 2013, 07:31 PM
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This is an fold for me and it's all that close.

If villains are loose callers, then you want a bigger hand, so that you're getting it in good most of the time. When it comes to shoving, T9 is just about in my top 34% of hands, which means I'm likely to get dealt something stronger on the next hand about a third of the time.

If villains were unknown, then I look at my push chart for this situation. For a 13bb open-shove in the cutoff, my shoving range is 17% of hands, a range that looks like: 22+ A5s+ K9s+ Q9s+ J9s+ T9s 98s AT+ KJ+.

Notice that T9s is in that range, but T9o is not. I'd usually only open jam T9o if this was SB vs BB, or I was on the button with only 7 or 8bb.

As Oval and others have said, wait for a better spot.


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