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Getting Started with My BankRoll - Mon Jul 01, 2013, 05:18 PM
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Mon Jul 01, 2013, 06:43 PM
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Mon Jul 01, 2013, 07:16 PM
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I new here in th Poker School Online and I would like a chance to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.
Hello,

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BankRoll Builder Session Feedback - Tue Jul 02, 2013, 01:40 PM
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Hi there,
I would like to know if the call before the flop was a good one, and if the size bet were correct and if the check on the turn and the check on the river was a good move (please notice that the player on my left was an agressive one).
Thanks for the opportunity to begin my freeroll
 
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3 steps completed - Tue Jul 02, 2013, 01:57 PM
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Hi there,
I have already completed the 3 steps of the promotion, thanks again for the opportunity!
 
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Tue Jul 02, 2013, 05:10 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Tue Jul 02, 2013, 05:50 PM
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Hi Mathousz! I'll take a look at the hand in post #4.

A8s is medium strength hand with decent potential, but it's by no means a monster. I think calling pre-flop is OK in this situation, because with all those limpers and then only a minraise by the player on the button, it's likely to be a multiway pot. In multiway pots, one pair is unlikely to win, so you should be hoping to flop trips or the nut flush draw, especially since just hitting an ace could mean you have kicker trouble, as you're already losing to A9+.
As played, you call the minraise and see a 6-way flop of A93. You are first to act and I would recommend checking. The reason is that you weren't the pre-flop raiser. Leading out with a donkbet is a mistake, because you don't yet have any information on the strength of your opponents' hands, and yours isn't exactly strong itself. Top pair, average kicker, is not something I want to play a big pot with, and you could even get raised. Check to the raiser to see if he bets, and then you can call.
As played, you lead out and only get one caller. His most likely hand is another ace, but he could also have two pairs or trips. The turn comes an 8, so you made two pairs. Here you decided to check, and this makes no sense to me. If you have the best hand, you should bet it, in order to get value. If villain has a draw, then you don't want him checking behind and taking a free card. Villain actually bets about 1/3 of the pot and you call.
On the river, you check again, and this kind of makes sense, because you gave up the betting lead on the previous round, but you're once again missing a chance to get value, as villain will usually check behind with one pair hands that have showdown value. About the only reason to check is to induce a bluff from an aggressive player. If the player to your left is likely to bet with missed draws, then check-calling or check-raising is a good play. That's what you do here. He's actually not bluffing when he bets the river, as he made two pairs, but raising all in looks good, as your two pairs is unlikely to be beat on this board, as there is no flush possible, and only one backdoor straight got there.

You dragged the pot here, but the line you took was unconventional. Following standard lines tends to lead to bigger profits and also makes your decisions easier. In particular I would take the following lines:
* If I was not the pre-flop raiser and I am out of position, I will check to the aggressor to see his action.
* If I seize the betting lead, then I will keep up the pressure if I think my hand is best. By betting, my decisions are easier, because I'll be able to fold if I get raised. If I check, then I don't know if villain has me beat or if he's bluffing. (Someone won't often raise as a bluff, because your bet indicates you have a real hand).
* I avoid fancy plays, like slowplaying and check-raising. These plays do not maximise value in the long run.

Hope this helps!
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Hand Played - Tue Jul 02, 2013, 06:32 PM
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Hi arty,
Thanks for the review on my hand !PRE-FLOP For me it was REALLY weird the mini-raise with 4 players limp in it should be 120 bet or something so it gave me odds to call. FLOP I guess the donkbet with a multi-way pot in that situation wasn´t a good choice,i can see that clear now thanks to you!I got the one caller with my donkbet in that point i was putting him in ace with better kicker like A10+,TURN so when that 8 came in the turn i tought that i was ahead of him and knowing he was agressive i was trying to pretend that i had gave up the pot , so i checked and he bet 1/3 of the pot to me that looked as value bet, so my certain of an ace with a higher kicker was growing bigger so i just called, already planing to check raise on the river if a blank card pops out, River I tought the 6c didn´t change anything but for my luck the player on my left was calling and betting with the botton pair ??? and hit 2 pairs on the river.
I really apreciatte the review man!
Cheers, Mathousz

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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 05:56 AM
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Brilliant!

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Hand Replay - Thu Jul 04, 2013, 01:11 PM
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I think the call on the raise on the turn was a bad move, and maybe i should bet more on the flop to protect my hand !

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Question - Thu Jul 04, 2013, 01:13 PM
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To put a lot of pressure on opponents
To gain value from very strong hands
to protect against strong draws
 
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Task Completed - Thu Jul 04, 2013, 01:16 PM
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Hi there,
I already finished the 3 tasks! Thanks for the chance to build my bankroll
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 06:05 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 07:57 AM
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I think the call on the raise on the turn was a bad move, and maybe i should bet more on the flop to protect my hand !
Hi Mathousz!

Completing the bb preflop is fine since KQo is a decent hand. I wouldn't mind folding preflop either. In general, I like calling preflop with speculative hands such as suited connectors, pocket pairs and AX hands. Your KQ isnt suited which losing the flush possibilities, but is still strong enough to call in a multiway pot.

You flop top pair on a wet board. It offers flush and straight draws. The standard bet size on the flop is 50% of the pot on a dry board, but 70% - 100% on a wet board. Since the pot is small here and we don't expect our hand to improve to a flush, straight etc, I would bet closer to pot sized. Hopefully this will result in two folds and one caller. Our hand will play best against a single opponent on this board.

The turn makes a straight possible with 10J. This is definately in the villain's range. He might be aggressive with a semi-bluff hand with both flush and straight draws. Either way, I don't want to invest too much into this hand, because we may already be beat by AQ, a random two pair or the straight. I would recommend folding to the turn raise.

Calling the raise looks cheap. However, it is very likely that we will be facing a river bet from this opponent as well. We can't call that bet, so folding now saves us some money and keeps our loss to a minimum.

GL and have fun at the tables!

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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 09:32 AM
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Hi there,
I already finished the 3 tasks! Thanks for the chance to build my bankroll
Hello,

Fantastic!

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Hand - Sat Jul 06, 2013, 09:28 PM
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the villain was a tight-passive player, my image at the table was tight also and i would like to know if i played that hand right, and if the bet sizes were ok!
thanks guys
 
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Sun Jul 07, 2013, 09:09 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Sun Jul 07, 2013, 12:20 PM
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Hi again Mathousz! I'll take a look at the hand in post #16.

You have KK in the cutoff facing a 4bb open by a tight player UTG. Although it's standard to always 3-bet with KK/AA and try and get all in pre-flop, I'd sometimes just flat call here, because re-raising could mean villain folds a few hands you're beating. I don't want him to fold hands like AK, JJ-TT etc, because there is more value in seeing a flop, where he'll make a continuation bet. 3-betting has a lot of merit too, however, partly because it almost guarantees you'll be heads up (the button and blinds can't cold-call a 3-bet without a very strong hand) and partly because the hand will be easier to play if you have the betting lead.
As played, you 3-bet to 24c, which is perfect. When this tight villain flat calls out of position, his hand is basically face up. He has QQ/JJ nearly always, but sometimes it's AKs/AQs. Since you 3-bet vs UTG, you should always have KK+ in this spot (I would flat call with QQ/AK vs an UTG open by a tight player), so he should have folded worse pocket pairs than KK, but many villains seem to think "QQ/JJ isn't strong enough to 4-bet, but it's too strong to fold, so I'll call". Calling 3-bets OOP is a very common and expensive leak, as villain finds out here.
The flop comes Q77, which is a bit annoying, because QQ flopped a boat. I think you have to bet, however, because villain can call with worse hands including AQ, AK and JJ. Half pot is about the right size for a c-bet in a 3-bet pot. Villain calls, so you see the turn, which is an ace. This is a terrible card for you. It either improved villain to top pair (or top two), or it scares him, since he might put you on AK. If it scares villain, he won't call a bet, so you won't get any value. Checking behind is the only option really, because there's no point in turning your hand into a bluff, as better hands than KK will never fold. You check behind and the river comes a 9. This completes a flush, but I can't see how villain ever has it, partly because you hold the Kh yourself. (A tight player doesn't get to this river with QhJh).
Villain checks the river, and I doubt he's trapping with an ace, but I also don't think he calls a bet very often either. The only hands you beat that might still be in the pot are JJ and TT, so it's pretty thin to go for value here. Since villain calls, I'd guess he got married to JJ and refused to believe you had a queen or better.

Hope this helps!

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