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25NL - Jack Link's Beef Jerky Hand - Wed Jul 03, 2013, 09:02 AM
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Here's a brain crusher only for you guys!

I've deliberately removed my holding for this one.

Can you read my hand?

SB: 25/20/3 (641)- Fold to steal 69%
BB: 21/14/1 (42) - Fold to steal 80%

 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 11:20 AM
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92 or an Ax flush I guess?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 11:33 AM
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U think i'd open 92 OTB?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 11:58 AM
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Maan, it could be anything

He overcalled preflop against btn open = weak, he checked to us 3 times on a very dry board = weak. This tells me that he can be either slowplaying a monster or has a genuinely weak hand. Since having a monster on that board is super difficult and I cannot see him checking river with any boat or flush I am probably trying to bluff with anything worse than A high (his stats look like he has a fold button plug in installed). The board is reasonably dry and both villains' ranges are quite weak OTF which means you could have cbet with almost any 2 if you wanted. If the villain was a weaker regular I would overbet the river and get him off any weak pair which might sometimes make a curiosity call (for a smaller bet that is).

I do not know your game very well but I would probably call you here very light. probably calling with any pair and AK,AQ, but that is me and I do have to admit that my fold button mysteriously disappears from time to time. Having said that I hope you are value betting 77 or better yourself(Not necessarily with that sizing)?

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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 12:51 PM
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Interesting thought process there Tommy!
"I would probably call you here very light" with that said, I assume you would not bluff river yourself then?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 01:29 PM
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3c5c AcXc or pocket 4s/ more likely a bluff
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 01:49 PM
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No that means that I would almost always use the opportunity against a weaker player but would probably give up against a stronger opponent. Basically he can only have a bluff catcher so what I would do highly depends on my read on him. I think this is a decent spot to bluff overbet (or just bet big like you did) against an unknown though... I might be terribly wrong

Is he likely to call with a 6, 77 or 88? With a big bet I could sometimes even get him off TT or JJ? I think I would either try to look polarized with a hand like T9,88,77; make a complete bluff or value bet small with a strong hand (since he looks so weak). I know this is easily exploitable so my preferred action is very read dependent. And since we do not have any reads...

I cannot help myself but I think I would not be able to fold a pair in this situation. That is just because I am not used to playing against villains who can marge in these spots effectively (maybe this is no longer true at 25NL) so against a polarized range from the button I think a pair is easily good 30% of the time. I would be paying off a flush or some random boat like 44 sometimes but I would not be surprised at all to see a hand like JhTh...

please quickly prove me wrong so I can stop spewing money
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 01:53 PM
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I would think your opponent has showdown value - calling preflop this time when they fold so often to steals - and check-calling the dry flop. When you both check down the turn the 9 has not probably improved anybody and the river club completes flush draws (or unlikely low straight) but doesn't help much else. I would expect opponent to have a small or medium pair - not 44, 66 or 99 though so 33/55/77/88 maybe or and ace/6 king/6. I don't see them having the flush often. Your checking the turn betting the river looks likely for a flush draw from the button - but I would probably call your river bet with some pairs - certainly with 77 or 88 as I think you have as many bluffs as actual flushes. I might call with A6/K6 too.

Not enough info on the opponent really - but if I was in your spot I would probably only bet the river if I have showdown value - I don't expect bluffs to work much here.

Ed

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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 02:12 PM
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Here's my take on it: I am eliminating a flush...because I don't think it is profitable to bet more than half pot on the flop with a flush draw (correct me if I'm wrong). You min-raised pre and value bet on the flop: that's likely to be an overpair or a flopped boat or even quads. You checked the turn most likely for deception and because the villain's most likely folding to a turn barrel. Your value betting pocket pairs, flushes on the river. I think the villain had a mid-pair type hand 55, 77, 88, that called the flop bet but folded on the river because of the flush which got there.

How did I do?


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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 03:25 PM
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Here's my take on it: I am eliminating a flush...because I don't think it is profitable to bet more than half pot on the flop with a flush draw
fold equity. heard about it before?
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 03:35 PM
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Interesting thought process there Tommy!
"I would probably call you here very light" with that said, I assume you would not bluff river yourself then?
Just to elaborate on this a bit more. I would call you light because I think you are capable of taking these bluff opportunities against weak ranges often enough to make it profitable. Against some villains I would fold a hand like 32 without feeling too band (not that I would have that in my range that often )
 
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 05:45 PM
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You flopped quads. Amirite?


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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 07:05 PM
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Wed Jul 03, 2013, 09:37 PM
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Am i the only one that cheated? lol

It wasn't what I thought it was

Did the villain fold to the river bet Geo?
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 01:50 AM
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99?
2+something of clubs?
on my stakes you would have a very good hand on the river

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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 05:19 AM
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Am i the only one that cheated? lol

It wasn't what I thought it was

Did the villain fold to the river bet Geo?
Oh you can cheat?
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 05:21 AM
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I cheated.

Have to be honest that I don't really understand how the hand played out like it did.
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 05:26 AM
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TommyGun369, got very close on this one! Almost named my hand too!
I had KdTs and we got called from Qh6h

I'm not sure if our villain read us right or was just sticky. I wouldn't give him too much credit though because he defended his BB with Q6s. Looking at this hand now, I'm not sure if I should have cbet into two players on this board with little room to improve our hand.

I decided to bet the river to rep a flush because that is how I would have played my hand with a FD. I'd bet the flop as a semi-bluff and look to barrel on a broadway OTT, the 9 gives us little to no fold equity so I'd check back to take a free card and value bet river when we hit. Obviously, when villain checks the river I'd discount monsters and flushes from his range and his hand looks like a hand that has SD value. 55/77/88/A6s and my bet was to get him to fold those type of hands by repping a flush.

Let's hear what the trainers have to say about this
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TommyGun369 View Post
Oh you can cheat?
You can?!!!
 
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Thu Jul 04, 2013, 05:37 AM
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You can?!!!
Hand history number shows on the replay. Hand history can be requested from PS even if you aren't in the hand.

If you want me to remove let me know but just wanted to show it is easily done.

PokerStars Zoom Hand #100866436923: Hold'em No Limit ($0.10/$0.25) - 2013/07/02 10:42:03 ET
Table 'Hydra' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: geoVARTA ($25.20 in chips)
Seat 2: adytzoy ($28.39 in chips)
Seat 3: Darkwshadow ($25 in chips)
Seat 4: wilkkm0 ($46.87 in chips)
Seat 5: medis01 ($16.77 in chips)
Seat 6: kauZey ($26.42 in chips)
adytzoy: posts small blind $0.10
Darkwshadow: posts big blind $0.25
*** HOLE CARDS ***
wilkkm0: folds
medis01: folds
kauZey: folds
geoVARTA: raises $0.25 to $0.50
adytzoy: calls $0.40
Darkwshadow: calls $0.25
*** FLOP *** [2c 6c 2d]
adytzoy: checks
Darkwshadow: checks
geoVARTA: bets $0.90
adytzoy: folds
Darkwshadow: calls $0.90
*** TURN *** [2c 6c 2d] [9h]
Darkwshadow: checks
geoVARTA: checks
*** RIVER *** [2c 6c 2d 9h] [4c]
Darkwshadow: checks
geoVARTA: bets $2.50
Darkwshadow: calls $2.50
*** SHOW DOWN ***
geoVARTA: shows [Kd Ts] (a pair of Deuces)
Darkwshadow: shows [Qh 6h] (two pair, Sixes and Deuces)
Darkwshadow collected $7.93 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $8.30 | Rake $0.37
Board [2c 6c 2d 9h 4c]
Seat 1: geoVARTA (button) showed [Kd Ts] and lost with a pair of Deuces
Seat 2: adytzoy (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Darkwshadow (big blind) showed [Qh 6h] and won ($7.93) with two pair, Sixes and Deuces
Seat 4: wilkkm0 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: medis01 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: kauZey folded before Flop (didn't bet)
 

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