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KJo Reshove with Short Stack - Thu Jul 04, 2013, 07:57 PM
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This is the final 2 tables of the $1.35 turbo knockout MTT with 7500 player field so a decent amount of money within reach, I think $1200 or so 1st place. I was sitting short and when tiny stack shoved in front it looked like a good spot to grab some chips. I was okay with the play immediately after but now I'm kicking myself.



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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 01:59 AM
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I would shove unopened pot.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 03:09 AM
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I think the position and stage of tournament would have demanded a fold. But then again I am complete NIT lol


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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 06:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roslyn_akka View Post
I think the position and stage of tournament would have demanded a fold. But then again I am complete NIT lol
with 6bb's it's easy shove for me but in an unopened pot. the fact that I have 6bb's is more important than position and a tourney's stage.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 12:46 PM
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Hi 85FastLane

Eeeek! I think it would be correct to fold in this circumstance but I'm not entirely sure.

If it had been folded to you then I like the shove but when the shorty goes in for 2.5 bb's it really complicates things. I think that mathematically it could very well be correct to get it in but I think folding and preserving the little amount of fold equity we have would be best.
If we could heads up with he ultra shorty 100% of the time then I like the iso shove but this isn't going to happen very often at all.

Another thing that puts me off is even when we do get heads up we can lose the pot, and when we lose the pot we will be left with just 3 big blinds and with the big blind approaching us just a couple of hands later this is crippling.

Cheers, Chris.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 01:23 PM
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I agree with Chris on this one, as I'm folding too.

I'd be more than happy to open-shove with KJo, but IMO, it's way too weak to call a shove with, as it takes a much stronger hand to call a shove, than to shove with.

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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 01:35 PM
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I'm not too scared of the tiny 2.5BB stack shove because with the blinds right on his tail he is motivated to get it in with a huge range. But my position is too early to assume we're going to a flop heads up. I was relying on having a decent amount of fold equity since everyone is sitting on pretty small stacks at this point, but I'm not going to get a medium pair or AK to fold. I think this play only makes sense if I was button or CO and there was just the one small shove in front. Still pretty happy with how far I got in this big of a field. Thanks for the feedback.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 01:42 PM
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Hi 85FastLane!

KJo, from my open-shove call chart is too weak of a hand, the only hands with a K on it are KK, AKs, AK, KQs. Even KQo is too light.

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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 02:24 PM
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With 2.5BB stack and about to be hit by blinds I think he is shoving far worse than KJo. I knew this move wasn't a sure thing but a risk had to be taken to try to be in the running for top spot. Safe poker can only take you so far. To me, it's position that was wrong here for me. I'd happily get this hand in against this player with these stacks again if I knew it'd be heads up. I mean no disrespect. Thanks for your thoughts, they make me think hard about this spot.
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 04:11 PM
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Right.. KJo is well within the SHOVE range, but it's not in the call range, because for a hand to call, it really should be in the top 30% of the opp's range and KJ falls just short of it.

At 2.5BB from the opp's table position, the shove range is top 38.6%... so to call, I'd need a top 11% hand and KJo is not a part of that range.

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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 05:08 PM
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All I can add is my sympathy as I know this situation well
 
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Fri Jul 05, 2013, 06:33 PM
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fold
 

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