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Ante-Up MTTs - Sat Jul 06, 2013, 04:55 PM
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Any pointers to strategies ?

With blinds being irrelevant, and basicly replaced with ante's, i've got no clue what way to optimally play those, and thus am reluctant to eneter any.

However, I'd like to be able to participate in them, so if any of you have general pointer 's , they're appreciated .
 
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Sat Jul 06, 2013, 11:31 PM
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Hi davidfranses,

Yes there are definite strategies. One of our live trainers Andy >ahar010< did this in a session and the video should be in the archives.

I can only remember a couple of things. First don't fold virtually just limp along as paying the blind has no value in the pot. Second your bet sizing should be a number of ante's relating to the pot size.

Can't help any more than that. Maybe someone could post a link to the video.

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Sun Jul 07, 2013, 08:26 AM
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I don't think the video will be in the archive for a while.

I've not played any of these events before, but I think one point to note is that your pre-flop bet-sizes should be based on the size of the pot, which is shown at the top of the table, not the size of the big blind. In standard games, a 3.5bb open is a pot-sized raise, and the standard 3bb open is close to that. If there are 9 players at an ante-up table where the blinds are largely irrelevant, a pot-size bet would be 9 antes, but Andy reckons that a bet size of something like 4 or 5 antes is usually enough to thin the field.

I think a crucial factor will be to play more pots in position with speculative holdings. For one thing, you'll usually have great pot odds on a pre-flop call, and for another, it will be hard for the OOP villain to play a bloated pot when he has to act first on each street.

I'm sure villains unacquainted with the format will make a lot of mistakes in these events. I can imagine it being very confusing if you're used to push-fold ranges for certain stacks sizes in big blinds, as you'll have to instead calculate the stacksizes in terms of antes or M.


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Fri Jul 12, 2013, 07:35 AM
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Some people like doing the math but I prefer human psychology. It works much better because in these tournaments with buy-ins below $5 most players are not getting their odds right. They probably don't worry about odds at all. My point is that a raise is a raise. If you raise, you represent a stronger hand than you would by just calling. So I disagree with ArtySmokes about preflop bet sizing.

Say the blinds are 5/5 and the ante is 50. The pot size would be around 460-490 then, depending on how many players limp in. Now you can raise to 5-6 BB which amounts to 25-30 chips. Yes, that's ridiculous when the size of the pot is almost 500. It's actually 0.05% of the pot. But it scares half the limpers (who consequently make bad folds preflop). Those few who call your huge raise have their minds set on folding if they miss the flop because you've got a stronger hand. They fold to your continuation bet of 100 or around 10-20% of the pot. By risking 125 chips you win a pot of over 600.

When the antes go up, say 100xBB, you've got a wide range of bets that you could use. That's the idea of these tournaments, IMO. Use the full range of bet sizes as you bet and raise, from 1 BB to 1000's of BB's.

By underbetting you're not getting much value for your strong hands but the idea is to do that often with marginal hands. You can always fold if someone shows strength.

I'd say these ante-up tournaments are like a bluffer's paradise. You can go a long way by playing lots of hands and raising often because raising is very cheap.

P.S. I haven't watched Andy's videos but I've played quite a few of these tournaments. I tried to find my ante-up tournament stats but it's hard. I'm sure I've played more but how do I find all of them?

$2.20 NL Hold'em [Ante Up] 10 $3.93 179% $39.27
$2.20 NL Hold'em [Ante Up, $1K Gtd] 5 -$1.50 -68% -$7.50
$5.50 NL Omaha H/L [Ante Up] 5 $13.53 246% $67.66
$5.50 NL Hold'em [Ante Up, $1K Gtd] 2 -$0.61 -11% -$1.22
 

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