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[JK] Negotiation4's Bankroll Builder - Wed Jul 17, 2013, 07:38 PM
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Hi!

I just found out about this promotion, and I thought it would be a great way to ease myself into the cash game world.

I've been playing quite a few games with fake money now, and I feel I have a good grasp of the basics.
 
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Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:36 PM
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Wed Jul 17, 2013, 11:49 PM
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Hello Negotiation4,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

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After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 06:15 AM
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Hi, and thanks!

Here's the hand I'd like to share:



After the flop I figured there was a fair chance that I had the best hand, but as any hand with a king and ten+ as well as trips would beat me I chose to check. There was also the possibility that someone would hit a spade flush on the turn/river.

After the turn that became a reality, leading me to check, and I would have folded to any significant bet.

Looking back at the hand, I think I should have bet on the river. If someone had a flush on the turn I think they would have bet, and if they didn't, I would just fold to a raise on the river. The 10 of clubs doesn't really help anyone unless they hit two pair or trips, which aren't all that likely cases.

Is my thinking here correct, or is there something I'm missing?


I passed the quiz yesterday:
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EDIT: Just wanted to specify that I've also watched both videos.


Thanks again for letting me join the program!

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 11:44 AM
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Hi!

I've got another game I'd like an opinion of if you wouldn't mind.



I think I played this correctly. Would you agree?


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I would have won the pot, but any 3, 9 or a pocket pair would be very dangerous, and I just figured at least one of them would have something like that. I didn't think it would end up in an all-in bluff-vs-bluff. I suppose it just goes to show the recklessness of the fake money players.

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:26 PM
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Hi Negotiation4!

With K9 from the BB, I get 6 limps in front of me. Since this is not a strong enough hand to raise with, I will check and see a free flop.

I flop top pair and when the SB checks to me, I need to make a value bet. Bets post-flop need to be made based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture. With 4+ opps in the pot, I need to make a pot-sized bet and will therefore bet 140.

The turn completes the flush. Since there was no bet on the flop (bad idea, as I now have no clue whether I'm ahead or behind), I need to make a value bet on the turn. With this many opps, I need to make a pot-sized bet of 140. I cannot check and keep this many opps in the hand to try to outdraw me.

Same thing on the river... with no bets, I MUST make a pot-sized value bet.

When playing hands, I need to be aggressive and not passive. Passive players, that just check or call, will not win long-term at poker, as they will give away way too many chips to their opponents.

By making the bet on the flop, if an opp calls it and especially if they call a flop and turn bet.. then I can check the river for pot-control, but that is the only way I can check.
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With A8s from the cutoff, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper. With 2 limpers, I will raise to 5BB or 100.

I then get called, min 3-bet and then 4-bet and a call of the 4-bet. While my hand does have some potential, it is nowhere near strong enough to call these raises, so I now need to muck my hand preflop. If I had AA, I'd call, but I'm mucking any other ace.. even AK.

I only want to be calling 4-bets with premium, made hands. I'll call with AA or KK and maybe QQ.. that's basically it, as all other hands are too weak to call.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 01:29 PM
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Brilliant Negotiation4!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 06:19 PM
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Hi again, and thanks! I'm not doing too badly with the money. I lost my first $0.80 due to some partly bad play from my side, losing with 2 pair to trips, but I've build myself back up and approaching $2 again.

Your reads make perfect sense. I haven't been playing aggressively enough right after the flop, and I see why that's important.

Here's a hand I'd like to discuss:


I actually feel I played this badly, and that I didn't have good enough cards to call/bet as much as I did. I think he might have had a queen, but I'm not sure at all. Actually I think I should have folded post-turn.

I'll go through the cash game course once I finish the video version of the basic course. I just completed the text-based version last time, and I find that there is a decent amount of new information.

EDIT: Just wondering, how good of a hand should I have to bet on the flop? I understand that it gives information on the opponent's hands, but it also potentially builds the pot when you don't have anything.

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Thu Jul 18, 2013, 07:30 PM
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Hi Negotiation4! I think I've seen you in Live Training, so that's great, as you can learn a lot from actively participating. I'll take a look at the hand in post #8.

With 74o, you should only ever be seeing the flop if you're in the BB and can check and see one for free, like you do here. You took a different line post-flop to the one I would usually take, but it's not all that bad, and you got a good result.
I would generally check the monotone flop. Bottom pair and a 7-high flush draw is not a strong hand. Betting seems like kind of a good idea, but the two main reasons to bet are for value (because we think worse hands will call) and as a bluff (because better hands might fold), but on a flop like this, worse hands aren't calling very often, and better hands are rarely folding. Villain is always calling with top pair, for example, and also stronger flush draws, let alone made flushes. If you actually had top pair, then you could bet for value, and if you had the , then you could bet as a semi-bluff. On the whole, I'd check and call a reasonable bet, as the flush outs might be good, and we could also make trips or two pairs.
As played, you bet and got called. On the turn, you made the flush, but this time you checked, when I would definitely bet. It's best to take a straightforward line. It's kind of weird to bet when you were weak, and then check when your hand improved. This sort of line (slowplaying the turn) misses value, and leaves you playing guessing games. If you bet here, and villain raises, you can be pretty sure that villain has a better flush. The bet-fold play is a standard line to take in microstakes games. You bet for value, and fold if villain indicates you're beat by raising.
Check-calling is akin to check-guessing. You don't know if villain has you beat or is bluffing. It's very weird to call his bet and then lead out on the river, since you don't know where you're at. I'm actually quite surprised that villain actually called on the river and you had the best hand. Perhaps your line confused him and he called with two pairs or a straight, or maybe he had a worse flush (although there aren't many worse flushes possible than yours).
In future, I would recommend being more careful if you have a weak hand on the flop, but when you improve, then you should be more aggressive. Bet when you think you are ahead, but be prepared to fold if you face resistance.

Hope this helps!
Cheers,
Arty


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