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5NL 6-max QQ - Fri Jul 19, 2013, 02:19 PM
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Hi, bvillain is unkown.
What you think of my play ?


 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:13 PM
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Depends on the player if he was aggro i would call because i just checked the flop to induce a bluff, against a nit il just bet and check fold the turn and a station i think you can get value from small pairs but i wouldnt get carried away with my betting either so i would just bet small.
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:50 PM
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Vs an unknown I think your play here was fine and pretty standard.


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Fri Jul 19, 2013, 08:59 PM
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I think I am definitely betting this uncoordinated flop, especially after a sizeable 3 bet pre flop. If he does not have the A you are taking this a great majority of the time, if he raises it is an easy fold, or maybe peel one card, and if he calls you can re-evaluate the turn as you are in position.

Reads are really important in a situation like this, if it is zoom it is more difficult but you can build up profiles over time. I see no sense in calling the turn bet and then folding the river if we think he has the Ace; he could just as easily have J10s.

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Fri Jul 19, 2013, 11:09 PM
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i 100% agree with this man, well said sir
 
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Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by topthecat View Post
I think I am definitely betting this uncoordinated flop, especially after a sizeable 3 bet pre flop. If he does not have the A you are taking this a great majority of the time, if he raises it is an easy fold, or maybe peel one card, and if he calls you can re-evaluate the turn as you are in position.
Betting the flop serves no purpose, as nothing worse than QQ calls, so you're not getting value. You're turning your hand into a bluff, when you actually have some showdown value.
The way to get value from worse hands is to check back the flop, planning to bet the turn if villain checks again. When villain bets the turn, he can have an ace, or another pair or draw, so calling is standard. Villain's big river bet looks more like an ace, so folding is standard.


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Sat Jul 20, 2013, 11:39 AM
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Betting the flop serves no purpose, as nothing worse than QQ calls
Except that's not at all true? I'd wager almost any worse PP might call @ 5NL (and higher tbh, people do not like to fold PPs they defend vs 3 bets on paired boards) not saying i disagree with a flop check, personally I think either is fine. To say that you're never getting called by worse when you bet this flop is just wrong, imo. As played, nh!

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Sat Jul 20, 2013, 01:33 PM
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I would call that flop with PPs if villain cbets alot and take the pot away on the turn if he checks and i think JJ is calling from all players, Even a nit will call a bet on that flop with all of his pairs, i dont think you can check that flop every time you have a hand that you can showdown?

Some players at normal tables might find that you only cbet this flop with air or monster hands so you got to balance it with some medium strength hands as well?.

Not that anyone at 5nl will be reading into your game that much but i like to get used to something that isnt to obvious. i give most preflop raisers a hard time on these type of boards because i know that i can take the pot away from them most of the time.
 

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