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Bankroll Builder - Fri Jul 19, 2013, 04:08 PM
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Hey, I would like to participate in the Bankroll Builder promotion!
 
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Fri Jul 19, 2013, 05:48 PM
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Be sure to read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.


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Sat Jul 20, 2013, 10:06 AM
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Hello dismaldave,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.


After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.


Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!


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Sat Jul 20, 2013, 05:06 PM
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Hey thanks.

Parts 1 & 3 are done. Here is part 2:



I'm in bad position with a less than premium hand, but I call the raise not thinking there will be a re-raise. There is and everyone calls, so the pot is large, and I call to see the flop.

I hit top 2 pair on the flop, but it's all diamonds and I hold none. I wonder who has a flush, so I bet out to see who stays in the pot, perhaps I bet too small? I get called and we see the turn. I check UTG to see who bets, perhaps I'll get a free card. The original raiser pre-flop bets. I call and the river gets me a full house, so I go all in for value knowing I have a flush beat now. I get called and take in a huge pot.

It worked out great in the end, but what would you say about playing AT in the SB like I did? Or if I had missed the river? With a possible diamond flush on the board? Those are my questions. Cheers.



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Sun Jul 21, 2013, 06:02 AM
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Hi dismaldave,

Thanks for posting the hand, we'll have the analysis done shortly. Then I'll award you with your first bonus and we can move on to Step Two.

flophitter
 
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Sun Jul 21, 2013, 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by dismaldave View Post
Hey thanks.

Parts 1 & 3 are done. Here is part 2:



I'm in bad position with a less than premium hand, but I call the raise not thinking there will be a re-raise. There is and everyone calls, so the pot is large, and I call to see the flop.

I hit top 2 pair on the flop, but it's all diamonds and I hold none. I wonder who has a flush, so I bet out to see who stays in the pot, perhaps I bet too small? I get called and we see the turn. I check UTG to see who bets, perhaps I'll get a free card. The original raiser pre-flop bets. I call and the river gets me a full house, so I go all in for value knowing I have a flush beat now. I get called and take in a huge pot.

It worked out great in the end, but what would you say about playing AT in the SB like I did? Or if I had missed the river? With a possible diamond flush on the board? Those are my questions. Cheers.



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Hi dismaldave!

Judging by your commments and questions, you seem to be on the right track

A10o is a decent hand, but it can quickly get you into trouble in a multiway pot, especially being oop. Here I wouldn't mind completing to 50 chips. However, you are facing a large raise with quite a few people left to act after you. The biggest worry here is that the short stacks will 3-bet all in, then the original raiser will 4-bet all in. Either way, we are not getting good enough odds to call with A10o. With A10s I would call as you did. If your hand were a bit stronger I would consider moving all in preflop and hopefully getting one of the deep stacks to call and the other to fold.

In general we need to ask ourselves "What are we hoping to flop?" If you flop an A, your kicker is going to be unsure. If you flop a 10 you probably will not have top pair. You wont be flopping a flush draw. Thus you are really only hoping to flop a straight draw against so many opponents. You are not getting good enough implied odds to make the preflop call here. Although I understand it is tempting. Playing hands from the sb is one of the most common, and costly, leaks. Luckily it is easy to fix

As played, I think your postflop play was fine. If you had not spiked the boat on the river, I recommend being very careful. You do not want to invest too much of your stack with two pair on such a connected board. It is too likely that someone has a flush, trips, or full house to make playing two pair profitable. Since you did get the 10 on the river, your river shove was great. Nice one

GL and have fun at the tables!

Roland GTX

PS: Real money is much tougher. Be selective with your starting hands
 
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Mon Jul 22, 2013, 05:35 AM
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Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

Best of Luck!

flophitter
 
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Tue Jul 23, 2013, 10:16 PM
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Thanks for the first buy-in!

Here are my next 3 tasks in reverse order:

3) Cash Game Quiz passed

2) 3 Reasons a player may want to make a big bet:
-to put a lot of pressure on opponents
-to bluff people off decent hands
-to gain value from very strong hands
bonus:
-to protect against strong draws

1) Here is my interesting hand:



The questions I have about the hand are basically about betting and value. I had position and I had the set on the flop, but should I have bet more on the flop? Hindsight says probably so, but if the 3rd spade came on the board, it would have been money lost. The turn would have been better to bet more on right? Put a bit more pressure on my opponents since they had less outs now. And what about value betting on the river?

Trying to apply the betting formulas I've learned in PSO seems more difficult in cash games. Either because of my own reluctance or because you tend to run into tighter opponents at the cash tables. Any advice on the matter would be great. Thanks!

 
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Wed Jul 24, 2013, 10:22 PM
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Hi dismaldave,

Great thanks for posting the cash game hand, we'll provide the analysis here soon. Then I'll award you with your second bonus and we'll move on to the next step!

flophitter
 
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Wed Jul 24, 2013, 11:23 PM
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Hi dismaldave! I'll take a look at the hand in post #8 and answer your questions.

Pre-flop, you're in a great spot: on the button with a pocket pair facing a standard raise. I'm always going set-mining in this situation and the plan is simple: Flop a set and try and win a whole stack, but fold if I miss. "No set, no bet", as the saying goes.
You're three-handed on the flop, which comes a two-tone J86. Perfect! You made a set. Now it's time to build a pot. When the pre-flop raiser bets the flop, I'd always raise for value in this spot, because I want to try and get my whole stack in the middle. Villain bet less than half pot, so might have missed with a hand like AK, but I'd still raise, because in a multiway pot on a wet board like this, you can get action from draws. Villain bet 8c, and you minraised. I'm not fond of minraises, because they miss value and actually give villains a great price to call if they have flush/straight draws. I would typically raise to three times the size of the first bet, so I'd go with 22 or 24c here. As played, you made it 16c and both villains called. Since it seems they both have a piece of this board, you can start making bigger bets, expecting to get more action. When it's checked to you on the turn, your bet was way too small. I would be bettting at least 75% of pot for value, in order to set up an all in shove on the river. Villains' most likely hands are Jx and a flush draw. With the draw in particular, you won't get any more money on the river if the draw misses, so get your value NOW on the turn. Once again, your small bet misses value. We make money from our opponents making the mistake of calling with draws when they don't have the right odds to do so, but with this small bet, villains aren't making a mistake. If one of them makes a flush, it's kind of your own fault, because you priced him in. As played, they both call and the river comes a king. Both villains check again, so you can feel pretty confident you have the best hand. You're only really losing to QT, but that had a straight on the turn, and would have check-raised there, or led out on the river. I would absolutely bet for value on this river, hoping to get looked up by hands like AJ, KJ, 98 etc. A bet of about half pot would be about right, as villains are likely to only have one or two pairs, so won't call a larger bet. Checking behind on the river, like you did, missed a whole street of value.

I think I understand your thought process in this hand, because I played with a similar mentality when I started. You feel like you shouldn't bet big, in case a bad card comes and you lose a big pot. But that's the opposite of what you should be thinking. When you have a monster hand like a flopped set, you should bet BIG (close to the size of the pot), because you want to get VALUE. Draws won't hit all that often, so you want to get as much money in the pot while villains are chasing. If a draw hits and a villain bets into you or raises, then you know you're beat and you can fold. But for all those times that the draw doesn't hit, you need to win the maximum. Ideally, you want villains to put so much in the pot on the flop and turn with their draws and weak pairs that they will feel committed to calling a turn or river shove, when they will be getting their money in bad. If you have a big hand, you should be focused on extracting maximum value, by betting the most that you think worse hands and draws will call. Often, a pot-sized bet is just right. With sets in particular, I'm always betting big, in order to win a whole stack. After all, you don't hit sets very often. If you're not going to try and win a big pot when you hit your 2-outer, then it's pointless playing the hand in the first place!
As a final reminder, making money at poker primarily comes from your opponents calling your value-bets. When you make a big hand, try and get as much money in the pot as possible, because your opponents WILL call with worse.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Arty


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Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:45 PM
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Hello dismaldave,

Sorry for the delay in replying, a bad person broke in and stole my laptop and it's taken me a little while to get back up and running. But good news for you:

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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