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Bankroll builder promotion application. - Wed Jul 24, 2013, 08:12 AM
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I'm new to PSO and would like to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.

Thanks,

Tanguy
 
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Wed Jul 24, 2013, 09:29 AM
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I'm new to PSO and would like to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.

Thanks,

Tanguy
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!

Please read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.

>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!

Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables!

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Wed Jul 24, 2013, 02:13 PM
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I'm new to PSO and would like to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.

Thanks,

Tanguy
Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.



After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.



Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!

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Homework done! - Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:56 AM
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I did my homework! (the three tasks above)

Hand:


My worst hand until now. I have a few outs on the flop, so I go on. On the turn, his re-raise should have told me he had the upper straight, but I couldn't believe he had a 6.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:20 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:56 AM
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Hi tanguy88!

With A7 from the cutoff, I get a limp in front of me. I can either raise or fold here and the majority of the time, I will make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper. With one limper, I will raise to 200.

I basically miss the flop (have a gutshot draw) and when it checks to me, in a 4-way pot where someone could have hit a part of the flop or already have a pair, I will check and hope to get a free turn card.

The button now bets 350, that is called by the other 2 opps, so I need to see if it makes sense to call. To call, I need to put 350 chips into a pot that will be 2225 (15.7%). I have 4 outs to a straight and from the rule of 4 and 2, each of these is worth 2% equity to the turn, so my 4 outs are worth 8%. Since the pot equity (15.7%) is higher than my hand equity (8%), I need to fold to this flop bet. If I call, I expect to lose 7.7% of my chips each and every time I call. I want to be making plays where I expect to gain chips, not ones where I expect to lose them.

If I saw the turn (which I would not), I see that I now have the low end of a straight and have an opp bet into me for a very small abnormal amount. A standard bet here is to 3/4 pot, as post-flop bets need to be made based on the size of the pot, number of opps in the pot and the board texture. With 3 opps, a standard bet is 3/4 pot. Since there is a flush draw on the board, I would need to raise this small bet by 3/4 pot to 2544 chips.... however, I've got the bottom end of the straight, so I don't know if I have the best hand. Due to this, I'm going to call the 500 and re-evaluate on the river.

The board pairs on the river and if the opp shoves, then I'm really in a bad spot, as I have a made hand that can easily be beaten by a full house or a higher straight. I'm going to call a small bet by the opp, but I need to fold to any sizable bet on the river.

The key here is to muck on the flop, since it is a negative play to call.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:43 AM
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I did my homework! (the three tasks above)
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

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Thank you for your analysis! Just one question on the number of outs at the flop. - Fri Jul 26, 2013, 06:06 AM
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Thanks for this great analysis John! Really useful.

There is just one point I find a bit debatable. You say I have 4 outs to a straight on the flop (i.e. those of the straight), but shouldn't we also count the 3 potential aces that could give me top pair? I know my kicker is pretty poor, so it does not ensure me a winning hand, and on top of that an ace could give a straight to someone who has a 4 in his hole cards, but still, shouldn't we consider these 3 outs? Now, if we do, it would bring my hand equity at 7*2%=14%, which is still lower than the pot equity, so I agree the flop was the most reasonable option anyway.

Thanks again,
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 12:21 PM
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Hi tanguy88!

Due to exactly what you state, bad kicker and possibly making a straight for an opp, in situations like this, I discount the ace outs here. If I had a better kicker (AK, AQ or possibly AJ) then I'd go ahead and count them, but not with a 7. Another thing to consider too, is that any of the others could also be holding an ace, which would also counterfeit them.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Completion of step 2 - Sun Nov 10, 2013, 11:27 AM
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Hi!

I did my homework.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
People may want to make big bets:
- To put a lot of pressure on opponents
- To bluff people off decent hands
- To gain value from very strong hands
- To protect against strong draws


2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer



In theory I'mnot supposed to call the raise pre-flow with such a hand, but ok, I chose to be a bit looser than usual, and the button was probably trying to steal the blinds, meaning not a very big hand. The flop is nice for me and offers me 8 outs for my straight and a possible backdoor flush. I make a moderate bet to avoid showing weakness and to avoid a raise from his side. The turn is good and gives me the outs of the flush. I make a small bet, still to avoid a possible raise and put some value. On the river I get the flush and I try to get value from it; maybe I bet a bit high there, scaring him away.
Difficult to me to guess what he had. He probably had something (medium pair), because he was calling my bets, or maybe he was after a draw. If he had a strong ace I suppose he would have defended his hand much stronger than what he did, by re-raising me, given the wet floor.


3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

I passed it (80%).


Regards,

Tanguy
 
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Mon Nov 11, 2013, 08:14 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Mon Nov 11, 2013, 11:03 PM
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Hi,

Hand Analysis



From the villains point of view (if they are a hand reader) this is a board texture that can plausibly hit your small blind flatting range..all of these Ax combos you could have called with AK AQ AJ AT especially if you haven't been 3bet happy in previously played hands, also let's factor in 77 and 66. Generally a button opening range is going to be much wider than from other positions and by taking the lead in the pot you allow all of his high card floating range with a stray heart to possibly give up on future streets as our semi-bluff does have some decent equity especially on the turn..if there is one thing I would have done differently in this hand it's this, bet sizing bet sizing bet sizing! A good general rule of thumb when electing to bluff or bet for value is to make these standard sizings (especially on 100bb+ stack depths) 2/3 to 3/4 pot size is a sufficient amount..these sizing are a tad bit bigger than half pot and they accomplish effectively build the stack to pot ratio for when our strong draw hits and allow us to make a bigger bluff sizing on future streets if our draw misses...Your bet sizing on the river could have been around 30c or 1/2 pot (if you felt certain there aren't many decent showdown hands in the villains range given board texture, as this may induce a light call)


Hope this helps.

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Last edited by CannonLee; Mon Nov 11, 2013 at 11:07 PM..
 
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Tue Nov 12, 2013, 08:05 AM
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Great stuff!

Please let us know as soon as you've passed the Cash Game quiz and we'll get your next bonus toyou

Cheers,
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Tue Nov 12, 2013, 09:13 AM
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I have already passed the quizz (80%).

Thanks to Cannonlee for its hand analysis!

Best,

Tanguy
 
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Wed Nov 13, 2013, 06:53 AM
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Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Homework done - Sat Nov 23, 2013, 12:44 PM
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Hi!

I've just accumulated my 10 VPP. What's the next step?

See you,
 
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Sun Nov 24, 2013, 07:51 AM
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Hi!

I've just accumulated my 10 VPP. What's the next step?

See you,
Hello,

'Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus'

Remember it's 10 VPPs earned AFTER you got your last buy-in, not 10 VPPs total (any VPPS earned before you got your last buy-in do not count)

If you have earned 10 VPPs AFTER you got your 2nd bonus then your 3rd bonus should be credited to you automatically within 24 hours.

Let me know when you get it and I'll advise on the next step.

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10 VPPs earned! - Mon Nov 25, 2013, 01:14 PM
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Hi,

Thanks for the clarification. It's done: I've earned 10 VPPs after receiving my second bonus. And I noticed that I received my third bonus: thanks!
What's the next step?
 
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Tue Nov 26, 2013, 09:21 AM
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Hi,

Thanks for the clarification. It's done: I've earned 10 VPPs after receiving my second bonus. And I noticed that I received my third bonus: thanks!
What's the next step?
Brilliant,

Your Bankroll Builder progress is moving along nicely and you've got your 3rd bonus!

Step Three

Now we really want you to up your game! Your challenge is to earn 10 VPPs after getting today's buy-in.

Note that any VPPs that you have earned up to this point won't count, only those earned AFTER you get your 3rd buy-in.

When you hit your target of 10 VPPs we will award you with your final Bankroll Builder bonus. Let us know when you reach the target.

Also, if you make a deposit at this stage we will also award you with your final bonus.

Best of Luck at the tables and let us know as soon as you have earned the 10 VPPs or if you make a deposit.

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Step 3 completed - Sun Dec 08, 2013, 06:20 AM
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Hi,

I've accumulated my 10 VPP. Please advise on next step!

Many thanks,

Tanguy88
 

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