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AA - Wed Jul 24, 2013, 04:55 PM
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What do you make of this re raise?

I decided not to 3bet pre because the button had a wide range on the button so i figured he could have all sorts of junk and he was cbetting 100% of the time so i was planning a check raise but didnt expect to get re raised.

Villain had a 1.5 AF so i figured he would really be getting out of line playing a draw or a tptk hand so i guess im crushed here.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 08:08 AM
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Hi Mike,

looks a bit like fancy play syndrom to me :-) .I dont think planning to picking up his c-bet justifies cold calling with AA here. It might be allright if he was a short stack and you could get the money in faster postflop. But given that the effective stack is 100+ BB here, I would always three bet AA.

Postflop it is a pretty tough spot, not sure if the NL2 villain is ranging you here, but you should not have KK and most the time not even JJ in your range and depending on your three bet % you would three bet a lot of Ax of clubs as well. So he could narrow your range to 77/KJ and draws. So that might make him a little bit more likely to play back at you, but not sure if this plays a factor at NL 2.

His betsizing for the rereraise looks kind of scary to me, it is not a clickback but it is pretty small, which makes me think he does not mind you calling and wants to get more value from you, although even the nuts (KK) are pretty vunerable on this board so I would not choose such a small betsizing in his shoes regardless of the hole cards.

All in all I think folding is fine on the flop since you are way behind vs his sets or (a little bit less) behind vs his two pairs or a bit ahead vs his draws and combo draws.

I think the hand is a good example why choosing a line like this with AA can get you in a lot of bad situations and is probably not the most +ev line to play AA. Most the time you want to checkraise hands that you wanna get it in with (KJ+) or you can easily fold to a reraise but have some potential to improve to a strong hand (gutshots, low pairs).
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 09:25 AM
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Fair enough point my reason for flatting AA here though was for a very good reason though 1 he is stealing a ton and i dont want to pick up just 10c, when he opened for 5c i was pretty sure he has small pairs or some semi decent hand because he min raises the button with junk but im pretty sure he might open for 6c with a real hand but i haven't seen this yet.

My second reason was the fact that everyone is as tight as a duck arse preflop to 3bets at 2nl they fold everything but JJ up unless you happen to come across a total fish which if im to be honest i would say there's better players in 2nl zoom than there is on reg tables so i wonder if i could 3bet every single hand sometimes and make a profit lol.

I can agree though i would prefer a 3bet also preflop but my main concern was this a good fold and seen as you agree im happy with the way i played this, i would be 3 betting tight players here all day long but i just dont see the point in 3 betting your aces into a aggro player who folds 3bets a lot that opens the button a ton, worst case scenario is he knows i raise my draws and he had tptk and re raised again thinking im drawing i dont know but is that a good play to put in a re raise anyway if you had TPTK on that flop and you was very certain that villain was drawing?
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 10:45 AM
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Hi Mike,

I don't know what to make of it because we have totally misrepresented our hand.

I agree with bald, FPS and it's not good imo. The guy has a wide button range (your read) so personally I would be 3-betting him liberally. And I am definitely going to protect my light 3-bets by also 3-betting my premiums.

The line we took, he may well reraise the flop with AK or KQ or any draw. I think AA is too strong to fold now since we are under-repped a bit, but I would probably call, and check/re-evaluate the turn. I really hate being in this spot... probably because I have little experience in such spots to begin with.


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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 11:14 AM
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Yeah i know its not the standard line but im sure you can see where im coming from villains at 2nl zoom are never giving me action with a 3bet unless i run into KK infact i can t remember the last time i got all in preflop or even getting my 3bet called.

Yh i spose some villains might re raise TPTK on that flop i dont know i dont think 2nl players are that aggro though, is that a standard line to take with TPTK though given the opportunnity to reraise with TPTK?

I have never re raised TPTK i have bet strong with it and stacked off vs certain players but lets say i knew that a particular player always check raises OOP or raises draws in position should i go for another raise on that type of board or maybe a board with a flush draw and an OESD profitably?

I know if i took that line im gonna get owned when they have flopped two pair or a set but would that be a profitable line.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 12:38 PM
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I rarely have any problem with getting action at 2nl with AA or other hands.

I tend to bet bigger with premiums at 2nl because I can be safe in assuming that I will get at least one call and it's a good time to start building a pot ie. when I know I am ahead. I've noticed a trend of people trying to get cute with their aces more often. Twice in the last week I have managed to get the money in ahead against badly played AA and they were fortunate to suck out on me. Not sure why this is happening more or maybe it's just coincidence that two instances happened in such a short timeframe.

I'm 2, 3, 4 and 5 betting AA all day long at the micro levels. If I call I've misclicked.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 01:08 PM
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Is that on reg tables though like i said i normally 3bet my aces as well im just trying different methods so if i ever move up stakes i know the best lines i dont really want to be trying out different lines at 5nl because it will cost me more money.
 
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Thu Jul 25, 2013, 02:45 PM
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Yeah i know its not the standard line but im sure you can see where im coming from villains at 2nl zoom are never giving me action with a 3bet unless i run into KK infact i can t remember the last time i got all in preflop or even getting my 3bet called.
Yes, I get that you are trying to make adjustments to a dynamic where no one gives you action to your 3-bets. I think a better adjustment than this one is to start 3-betting more vs. button opens. If they're opening a fair to wide steal range, and only giving action with premiums, you can profitably 3b any 2 cards. Normally I'd say don't get too ridiculous about it, but meh, it's zoom, if no one defends their button steals then get ridiculous. Stay ridiculous until people fight back.


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