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Bankroll Builder Promotion - Fri Jul 26, 2013, 02:20 AM
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Hi,
I'm new to PSO and would like to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.
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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:26 AM
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Hi,
I'm new to PSO and would like to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.
Thanks
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!

Please read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.

>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!

Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables!

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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:33 PM
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Hi,
I'm new to PSO and would like to take place in the bankroll builder promotion.
Thanks
Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.



After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.



Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!

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Hand Replayer - Sun Jul 28, 2013, 06:37 PM
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Should I have called on the flop? I had a gutshot straight draw that ended up hitting...
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 06:40 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:40 AM
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Hi sheshbesh213!

With 69s from the BB, I get a limp, min-raise and 3 calls of the min-raise. With a really bad hand like this, I need to muck it preflop. Just because I have an ace or suited cards, that does NOT mean that they should always be played. If I had 89s or 67s I would possibly call, but a suited 2-gap is not a strong enough hand.

If I saw the flop (which I would not), I see that I have a gutshot draw. When it checks to me, I need to check and hope to get a free turn card. An opp now makes a HUGE overbet. Bets post-flop should be sized based on the size of the pot, number of opps and the board texture. To call, I would need to put 26 chips into a pot that will be 102 (25.5%). From the rule of 4 and 2, each of my outs has 2% equity to the turn, so my 4 outs are worth 8%. Since my pot equity to call (25.5%) is higher than what my hand is worth (8%), this is an easy muck. I want to put my chips into the pot when I expect to gain chips, not when I expect to lose a large % of my chips, as I will lose 17.5% of them on average here.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:55 PM
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Brilliant!

Let me know as soon as you pass the Poker Basic quiz and I'll get your first bonus to you

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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:31 PM
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Hi Raiser -

I've passed the Poker Basic Quiz.

What's the next step?

Thanks!
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:15 AM
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Hi Raiser -

I've passed the Poker Basic Quiz.

What's the next step?

Thanks!
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

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1/2 cent NLHE hand I had difficulty with - Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:24 AM
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Should I not have bet on the turn? Should I not have called the raise?

Thanks
 
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Reasons for a big bet - Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:09 PM
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To bluff an opponent off a better hand
To get value out of a strong hand
To protect a hand from strong draws
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:16 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:10 AM
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Hi sheshbesh213! I'll take a look at the hand in post #10.

You have AJ in MP, faced with a limp by the player UTG. Raising to isolate him is good, but there's no need to make the raise so big. A standard size is 3bb + 1bb per limper, so 8c would be fine. Villain calls and the flop comes 763. You have two overcards and might be ahead, but villain could have flopped a set, because it's common (but not recommended) for players to limp in with small pairs. You could check behind to keep the pot small, but I'd usually make a continuation bet. On a flop like that, where villain either missed completely, or totally smashed it, you don't need to bet so big. A bet of half pot will do. When villain calls your two thirds of pot bet, I would be concerned he is slowplaying a set. At worst he has an overpair, like 88. On the turn, you improve to top pair top kicker. You're still losing to sets (and are, in fact, drawing dead) but you're now ahead of TT-88 and 55/44. If villain made a loose call on the flop with overcards, he may have made a worse top pair (KJ/QJ/JT). I have a plan for this trn card. I use the bet-fold play, which means I will bet for value with a size that worse hands can call, but I will fold if I get raised. Betting 52c into 60c is a bit too much. It's hard for worse hands to call a bet of that size. One good thing about the size is that when villain raises, it's clear he's ahead. You defined the strength of your hand with a big bet, but villain raised, indicating he has a monster. I think he has a set here pretty often, so folding is the right play. There's even a well known poker theorem that applies here, the Baluga theorem: If you get raised on the turn, re-evaluate the strength of one pair hands (with the implication being that you should often fold).
As played you call, so you see the river, which doesn't change anything. Weirdly, the villain doesn't make a value bet. Checking behind is standard, because if villain was making a weird bluff, he won't call now. As expected, he shows a set. The key lessons to learn here are to not make such big bets unless you're sure you have the best hand, and to fold if you get raised when holding one pair.

Hope this helps!

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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:14 PM
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Great stuff!

Let us know as soon as you pass the Cash Game quiz

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Thanks and passed Cash Game Quiz - Sat Aug 03, 2013, 01:39 PM
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Thanks for the very informative explanation of optimal play in the hand that I posted.

I also wanted to let you know that I passed the Cash Game quiz.

Thanks
John
 
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Sun Aug 04, 2013, 10:16 AM
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I also wanted to let you know that I passed the Cash Game quiz.
Hello,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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I unfortunately lost my bankroll!!! :( - Mon Aug 05, 2013, 12:55 PM
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Hello,

After some initial success, I made what in retrospect looks like a pretty bad move with this hand:



I would be happy for some advice and to know what next steps I could take to continue in the bankroll builder promotion.

Thanks again for your help and support.

John
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2013, 10:06 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Tue Aug 06, 2013, 11:39 AM
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Hi sheshbesh213! I'll analyse the hand in post #17.

With ATo in fairly early position, I'd recommend folding. This is a trouble hand with "reverse implied odds", which basically means it tends to win small pots and lose big ones. It plays better in late position, and is ideal for stealing blinds. As played, you come in for a raise and get called by both blinds, so you're in position. The flop comes a monotone Q75, which is a good one for you, as you have the nut flush draw. When both villains check, I would make a continuation bet on this flop pretty often, whether I connected with it or not, because this flop is very scary for anyone without a club in their hand. If you bet, you'll usually only get called by sets, TPTK, made flushes and good flush draws, which would just be the on this one, because you hold the . You made a bet of close to the size of the pot, and I think this is larger than it needs to be. A bet of 55% of pot will have the same effect as a pot-size bet, and seeing as you don't yet have a made hand, you'd like to keep the pot small, or take it down without risking much. As played, you bet big, and got check-raised. Firstly, I rule out folding, because you have a draw to the nuts, but then I consider calling. If you call, you'll be putting an additional 24c into a pot that will be 98c. This means the pot odds translate to about 25%. You could make a break-even call if you hit your hand more often than 25% of the time. With a flush draw, you have a maximum of 9 outs, which gives you about an 18% chence of hitting on the next card, and a 36% chance of making the flush by the river. So you don't have the immediate odds to call (immediate pot equity of 25% is greater than your immediate hand equity of 18%), but since villain has indicated he has a big hand, you can assume you'll win some more money from him if you hit your hand. I think you can call this raise to see if you hit your hand on the turn. If the board pairs and/or villain makes a large bet on the turn, you'll have to cut your losses. Although going all in on the flop initially seems like a good idea, I think it's fair to assume that you'd be getting your money in as a big underdog. Against a range of made flushes and sets, you'll only win about 28% of the time. It's not going to be a good idea to contribute close to half the pot when you'll win it much less often than half the time.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Arty


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Wed Aug 07, 2013, 06:15 AM
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Brilliant,

Your Bankroll Builder progress is moving along nicely and you will receive your 3rd bonus later today!

Step Three

Now we really want you to up your game! Your challenge is to earn 10 VPPs after getting today's buy-in.

Note that any VPPs that you have earned up to this point won't count, only those earned AFTER you get your 3rd buy-in.

When you hit your target of 10 VPPs we will award you with your final Bankroll Builder bonus. Let us know when you reach the target.

Also, if you make a deposit at this stage we will also award you with your final bonus.

Best of Luck at the tables and let us know as soon as you have earned the 10 VPPs or if you make a deposit.

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