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Bankroll Builder - Fri Jul 26, 2013, 09:44 AM
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Hello, i've passed on the basic test, played a few play money games (made 15k with 5 or 6 hands), and I've never made a deposit, want to join the Bankroll Builder promotion.
 
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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 09:48 AM
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Hello, i've passed on the basic test, played a few play money games (made 15k with 5 or 6 hands), and I've never made a deposit, want to join the Bankroll Builder promotion.
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!

Please read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.

>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!

Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables!

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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 05:33 PM
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Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.



After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.



Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!

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Fri Jul 26, 2013, 08:26 PM
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OK, I got approved on the basic test. About the replay, the basic tutorial says mostly to never bluff, but isn't a great tactic to steal the blinds after flop since everyone was just checking? Even if I'm not in a late position, doing this 12~18% of the hands I play it's working flawlessly.


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Sat Jul 27, 2013, 06:59 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Sat Jul 27, 2013, 03:58 PM
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Hi bigfatcall!

With A8 from mid position, I get 3 limps in front of me. I'm going to open-fold here, as my hand is not strong enough to raise with. If I did raise, I would need to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper and I do not want to have to bet 700 with a very marginal hand. It's best to save the chips and look for a better spot, when I know I'm ahead.

If I saw this flop (which I would not), here is the exact reason why I would not want to limp... I have absolutely no clue whether I'm ahead or behind. If I had raised, then any of the opps could easily have a K that called preflop, but with limps, I have no clue.
The other problem is that with so many people in the pot, since I need to make a value bet here, I need to make a standard bet and with post-flop bets based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture, I cannot bet less than a pot-sized bet, so I need to bet 800.
I want to keep all of my bets standard, as this helps to conceal the strength of my hand. I do not want to overbet here either, as this will cause all the hands worse than me to fold and I will only get called by a K, where I lose the hand.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:38 PM
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Hi bigfatcall!

With A8 from mid position, I get 3 limps in front of me. I'm going to open-fold here, as my hand is not strong enough to raise with. If I did raise, I would need to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper and I do not want to have to bet 700 with a very marginal hand. It's best to save the chips and look for a better spot, when I know I'm ahead.

If I saw this flop (which I would not), here is the exact reason why I would not want to limp... I have absolutely no clue whether I'm ahead or behind. If I had raised, then any of the opps could easily have a K that called preflop, but with limps, I have no clue.
The other problem is that with so many people in the pot, since I need to make a value bet here, I need to make a standard bet and with post-flop bets based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture, I cannot bet less than a pot-sized bet, so I need to bet 800.
I want to keep all of my bets standard, as this helps to conceal the strength of my hand. I do not want to overbet here either, as this will cause all the hands worse than me to fold and I will only get called by a K, where I lose the hand.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


Hmmm, got it! Thanks! The only problem with play money tables is that nobody cares at all, 90% of the players keep raising and/or going all-in several hands in a row, I just can't practice with efficiency.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2013, 05:44 PM
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Hmmm, got it! Thanks! The only problem with play money tables is that nobody cares at all, 90% of the players keep raising and/or going all-in several hands in a row, I just can't practice with efficiency.
Expect the same type of players at 1/2 cent tables too.... they'll be there.

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Sat Jul 27, 2013, 06:13 PM
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Expect the same type of players at 1/2 cent tables too.... they'll be there.

John (JWK24)

Good for me hahahaha, almost 100k play money!

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Sun Jul 28, 2013, 12:00 PM
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Good for me hahahaha, almost 100k play money!
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 02:21 PM
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Hi, Im done with those steps, the hand I'd like to have a review on is:




On the lesson 'Pre-Flop Essentials' it says to only fold with AK if somebody raise after me, I know that due to the value of that bet I shouldn't have call or re-raised, because of my bankroll. I was with almost $5 in total, and on the next hand i started with 2/7, folded, and flop was 772. I had to stop playing because I was burning inside, but what is the correct play? I can't fold those hands all the time. Thanks.

The three reasons to make a big raise, after watching the video I think there is more than three, but is basically:
- To put a lot of pressure on opponents
- To gain value from very strong hands
- To protect against strong draws

About the Cash Games Quiz, when I click to start the test I recive a message "You passed another quiz recently. Please wait and try again later.", the last test I did was the basic, 4 days ago.
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:49 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 10:29 AM
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Hi bigfatcall! I'll take a look at the hands in post #11.

1. You have AK in the big blind, and there's some heavy action in front of you. The player UTG minraises, and I would expect him to have a tight range of something like 88+/AQ+. The player on the button makes a crazy overbet, shoving all in for $1.39. I would quickly fold my hand here. While AK is legitimate monster, it is still only ace high pre-flop, and is not a hand that you should always be happy to stack off pre-flop. AK is losing to all pocket pairs (and is crushed by KK/AA) and is only in good shape against worse aces. Without knowing villain is tilted or capalbe of shoving with junk, folding is by far the best play. You called and he had TT, so you're a slight underdog. Against pairs, you'll win about 45% of the time, but in the long run these losses will add up a lot. AK is a tricky hand to play well, and many players overvalue it. In cash games, AK tends to win small pots and lose big ones. Going all in pre-flop with AK puts you at high risk of losing a big one.
You said you folded 72 and the flop came 772. I wouldn't be upset about that. 72 is a trash hand. It will hardly ever flop a monster. Don't focus on the results of one particular hand. Think about the long run and make bets that will - on average - be profitable. If a hand is considered trash, it's because it won't win anywhere near often enough for it to be profitable to play.

2. You call in the CO with 22 to go set-mining. You flop better than that, however, as you made quads on Q22. Villain makes a continuation bet and you raised. I'm a big fan of fast-playing big hands like sets and quads, but in this case I would just call on the flop, because I want villain to keep putting money in the pot when he's probably drawing dead. He can't really continue on this flop unless he as a queen. If you call, he could hit an ace or king and then he'll give you some value. Raising isn't terrible, though. If villain does have a queen, you'll be able to take him to Valuetown.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:11 PM
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Brilliant!

Please let us know as soon as you pass the Cash Game quiz

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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 06:53 PM
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Hi bigfatcall! I'll take a look at the hands in post #11.

1. You have AK in the big blind, and there's some heavy action in front of you. The player UTG minraises, and I would expect him to have a tight range of something like 88+/AQ+. The player on the button makes a crazy overbet, shoving all in for $1.39. I would quickly fold my hand here. While AK is legitimate monster, it is still only ace high pre-flop, and is not a hand that you should always be happy to stack off pre-flop. AK is losing to all pocket pairs (and is crushed by KK/AA) and is only in good shape against worse aces. Without knowing villain is tilted or capalbe of shoving with junk, folding is by far the best play. You called and he had TT, so you're a slight underdog. Against pairs, you'll win about 45% of the time, but in the long run these losses will add up a lot. AK is a tricky hand to play well, and many players overvalue it. In cash games, AK tends to win small pots and lose big ones. Going all in pre-flop with AK puts you at high risk of losing a big one.
You said you folded 72 and the flop came 772. I wouldn't be upset about that. 72 is a trash hand. It will hardly ever flop a monster. Don't focus on the results of one particular hand. Think about the long run and make bets that will - on average - be profitable. If a hand is considered trash, it's because it won't win anywhere near often enough for it to be profitable to play.

2. You call in the CO with 22 to go set-mining. You flop better than that, however, as you made quads on Q22. Villain makes a continuation bet and you raised. I'm a big fan of fast-playing big hands like sets and quads, but in this case I would just call on the flop, because I want villain to keep putting money in the pot when he's probably drawing dead. He can't really continue on this flop unless he as a queen. If you call, he could hit an ace or king and then he'll give you some value. Raising isn't terrible, though. If villain does have a queen, you'll be able to take him to Valuetown.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Arty

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