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Bankroll Builder - Sat Jul 27, 2013, 08:40 AM
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Hello,

I like to take advantage of opportunities and that's way i want ta take part on the bankroll promotion.
I am waiting for details.

Thank you.
 
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Sat Jul 27, 2013, 09:30 AM
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Hello,

I like to take advantage of opportunities and that's way i want ta take part on the bankroll promotion.
I am waiting for details.

Thank you.
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!

Please read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.

>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!

Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables!

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Sun Jul 28, 2013, 11:05 AM
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Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.



After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.



Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!

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Sun Jul 28, 2013, 02:51 PM
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Ok i have completed the steps.
Here is my first hand:

Last edited by 0nY0urKn33s; Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 03:33 PM..
 
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Sun Jul 28, 2013, 05:03 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Sun Jul 28, 2013, 09:49 PM
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Hi 0nY0urKn33s!

The first thing that I notice here is that whenever playing a ring table, I ALWAYS wait for the BB in order to start playing. Paying extra blinds over and over will be a huge drain to a player's bankroll.

With pocket 6's, I'm going to make a standard raise, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper. Due to the post, I'll raise to 8 chips (4BB) as the post counts as a limp. Another thing that I do not want to do is to open-limp. If I'm the first to get into a pot, I'm going to make a standard raise or fold, I do not ever want to open-limp.

I flop middle set and an opp makes an abnormally small min bet. Bets post-flop need to be sized based on the size of the pot, number of opps in the hand and the board texture. With 5 opps in the pot, I need to raise here for value and to protect my hand and will make a standard raise for 4 or more opps in the pot of a pot-sized raise to 16. I do not want to raise to less than this, as doing so can price in opps that have a diamond draw and if I give them the correct odds to draw and they outdraw me, it's my own fault that I lose the hand.

I now get an abnormally large raise to 36 and a call of it. I'm going to re-raise here and the key is the sizing of it. I need to make the bet between 3X the previous bet (108) and a pot-sized raise (128). Since this is well over 1/3 of my stack, which pot commits me, I need to shove!

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 02:11 AM
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Thank you for the analysis.
I would like to ask some questions on the matter. If i reraise to 4BB and at least one opponent let say called and i see a flop with at least one overcard and with no hit on the set, wouldn't that make me vulnerable to my opponents bets?
What is the logic behind raising the sixes, i thought we should keep it small and simple until we hit the set.
(About the blinds, i only did it because it was free money )

Thank you.

Last edited by 0nY0urKn33s; Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 02:14 AM..
 
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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 11:18 AM
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Hi 0nY0urKn33s!

Open-limping is one of the largest leaks and is a very exploitable play. If someone were to say open-limp a small pair, then an observant opponent that has position on them, should be raising here basically every single time. Since the hand wasn't strong enough to raise with (if they limp) then it's nowhere near strong enough to call a raise, as a hand must be much stronger to call a raise. This means that the player with 66 just freely gave away 1BB worth of chips (if they call the raise, it's even worse, because now they're giving away even more chips). When this happens over and over, the player will leak off their entire stack of chips.

Also, players that make smaller bets with marginal hands and larger ones with better hands are basically turning their cards face-up to their opponents.. another thing that is very exploitable. It will make all worse hands fold and all better hands call, from an observant opponent.

If I raise to 4BB and there is an overcard, then when I make a c-bet on the flop, the opp doesn't know whether I have top pair, two pair, set, or absolute air. It keeps them guessing as to what I'm holding.. because since I would make the same bet with top pair/top kicker, any other pair or a set.. they have no clue what I have.

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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 03:57 PM
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Ok i have completed the steps.
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

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Mon Jul 29, 2013, 07:11 PM
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Ok i have completed the steps.

Answer:
1.Protect against strong draws
2.Gain value for a strong hand
3.Bluff your opponent to muck a good hand

Here is a hand:


(Big bet at the end )

Last edited by 0nY0urKn33s; Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 07:23 PM..
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 04:19 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 11:38 AM
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Hi 0nY0urKn33s! I'll take a look at the hand in post #10.

I don't really like the way you played this hand. 87 offsuit is a trash hand and I'm folding it at every position on the table. Playing it under the gun is especially bad, because you're likely to be out of position (OOP) post-flop, and playing OOP makes it very hard to get paid on the few occasions that you make a monster. As played, you limp in (just call the blind) and this is a weak play, because it doesn't give you an immediate chance to win the pot. Limping also makes it obvious that you have nothing, because you'd raise if you were strong. The hijack raises and the button calls. This is your second opportunity to fold. Both players have position on you, so you do not have a positive expectation if you call.
As played, you call and the flop comes 964. This is about as good as you can expect for your hand, as you have an open-ended straight draw (8 outs). If this was a heads up pot, I'd consider donking into the raiser, as he's unlikely to have hit this flop, so he might fold. Checking and calling a small bet isn't too bad either, as you have some equity. The button makes a bet of less than half pot, so you can definitely call with your draw. The turn pairs the board, so it's possible you're drawing dead, because a paired board means someone could have a full house. I would be cautious here. If villain bets more than half pot, I would just fold. Chasing draws without good odds is not profitable. The villain bets less than a quarter of the pot on the turn, so you can call. Villain is making it easy for you, by pricing you in with your draw, and he'll probably pay you off if you make your straight. Unfortunately, you miss the straight. The river 3 is no help to you, but it completes the flush draw that was on the flop, which means you might have a good bluffing opportunity. Villain bets really small on the river, just 10c into 63c. Weak bets usually indicate weak hands. It's very unlikely that villain has a flush. He's more likely to just have one pair, like 9x, or 88. Trying a bluff is OK, but since this player appears to be weak (his small bets show a lack of skill) I would be concerned that he will be unable to fold. There's not a lot of "fold equity" in the micros, so bluffing is not recommended in general. That being said, your river check-raise makes some sense. I think you would have played a flush draw like this, so the story checks out. Your sizing is pretty good too. It's big enough to frighten villain. Fortunately he folds, so you drag a nice pot.
You got a good result here, but don't let that cloud your judgment. Bluffing doesn't work very often at 2NL. If you play trash hands like 87o, you'll seldom make a real hand, so the only way to win will be by bluffing. You're far better off playing strong starting hands, so that your bets can be for value. Playing junk and trying to get villains to fold is a recipe for disaster in the long run.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Arty


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Last edited by ArtySmokesPS; Tue Jul 30, 2013 at 11:41 AM..
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:55 PM
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Brilliant!

Please read the comments by Arty above and let us know as soon as you've passed the Cash Game quiz

Cheers,

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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 05:58 PM
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You have deducted that i haven't passed the cash game quiz from the posted hand?
Joking, i have already passed the quiz.
 
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Tue Jul 30, 2013, 06:02 PM
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Hello,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 06:20 AM
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Ok i have collected 10 fpp
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 06:21 AM
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Ok i have collected 10 fpp
It's VPPs , not FPPs,

Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus'

Remember it's 10 VPPs earned AFTER you got your last buy-in, not 10 VPPs total (any VPPS earned before you got your last buy-in do not count)

If you have earned 10 VPPs AFTER you got your 2nd bonus then your 3rd bonus should be credited to you automatically within 24 hours.

Let me know when you get it and I'll advise on the next step.

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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 07:05 AM
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Ok i have received the bonus
 
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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 08:34 AM
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Ok i have received the bonus
Congratulations!

As you've earned enough VPP's we have awarded you with all your Bankroll Builder buy-ins and you have successfully completed the promotion, good job!

You are always welcome to post any troublesome hands in the >>Hand Analysis<< section.

Also it is a good idea to review some of the content on >>Bankroll Management<< at this point.

Keep in touch with us and let us know how your poker journey continues.

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