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[CL] Bankroll Builder | | | | - Wed Jul 31, 2013, 01:00 PM
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I'd like to take part in the Bankroll Builder.
 
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I'd like to take part in the Bankroll Builder.
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Wed Jul 31, 2013, 03:26 PM
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Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

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Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.


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Raise and re-raise on river. - Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:05 PM
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Was unsure whether to enter the pot with this hand so I limped in. Called on the flop with top pair weak kicker. Called again on the turn with the flush draw and the gut-shot straight draw. Didn't have a read on villain, so had to think hard about going all in without the nut flush, given the raise and re-raise on the river. What are your thoughts?

 
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All tasks completed - Wed Jul 31, 2013, 11:13 PM
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I've completed all three tasks. Please advise on next steps.
 
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Thu Aug 01, 2013, 12:07 AM
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Hi,

Hand Analysis


I don't see to many combos of Ax that are calling the flop action and getting there with a back door hearts draw as we have some blocker to the hearts, given the preflop action of it being a limped pot it would be safe to say that one of the villains has ace little (ace weak kicker) etc.. Although it's very plausible taking board texture in to consideration that Tx for the straight JT QT T9 AT KT or two pair combos are raising this river for thin value (and in this case value owning them self). In it's entirety we are holding the second nuts and based on our stack depth there is no way we can find a fold in this spot, unless we had pin point specific reads that the villain won't play anything other than the nuts at showdown, but even then it's still a call.

Hope this helps.


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Thu Aug 01, 2013, 12:12 AM
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Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

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Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

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So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

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Thank You. - Thu Aug 01, 2013, 10:25 AM
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Thanks you.

I appreciate the insight and perspective that you've provided.

The money has been credited, so I'm proceeding with the next steps. Will update you soon.

Regards

MNJAI
 
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Steps 2 and 3 completed. - Thu Aug 01, 2013, 11:35 AM
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Hi

The answer to step 2 (List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?)is:

1. To put pressure on opponents
2. To bluff people off decent hands
3. To gain value from very strong hands

I have completed and passed the cash game quiz.

However, before attempting step 1 (Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer), I'd like your advice on choosing a game/table to play in.

What should I be looking for in terms of Average Pot, Players per Flop and Hands per Hour? Any advice/guidelines would be appreciated.

Regards

MNJAI
 
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All Steps Completed. - Fri Aug 02, 2013, 03:01 AM
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I'm sorry to report that I've lost $1.96. Here is the final hand played.I should have considered the straight.

 
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Fri Aug 02, 2013, 04:41 AM
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Hi,

Hand Analysis


Did you have any specific rads on any of the villains that limped in to the pot? With so many players that will have a positional advantage on us post flop, it's fine to limp this hand and try to set mine.

Post flop, I'd be more concerned about two pairs rather than the straight on this board texture, although some straight combos are certainly plausible as it was a limp pot pre-flop. I think the way we could have lost the minimum is by check calling down every street.

The main questions that we need to ask our self on the turn, "when we raise all in, what range of worse made hands are we trying to get value from and what range of better hands are we trying to get to fold"?



Good luck and good decisions,
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Fri Aug 02, 2013, 04:48 AM
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Hi
I have completed and passed the cash game quiz.

However, before attempting step 1 (Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer), I'd like your advice on choosing a game/table to play in.

What should I be looking for in terms of Average Pot, Players per Flop and Hands per Hour? Any advice/guidelines would be appreciated.

Regards

MNJAI
Hello,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

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2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.


The average pot size could be an indicator of how many players are involved in the pot, I'd be looking to sit at a table that has more than 25% of the players to see a flop of 9 players. This would ultimately mean that there is loose action going on and chips prime for the pickings.


Good luck,
CannonLee



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Thank You. - Fri Aug 02, 2013, 09:44 AM
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Thank you.

The only read I had was that they seemed to be pretty solid and somewhat tight. I totally agree with the check-call suggestion and will keep that in mind in future. I chose to go all-in since I was reluctant to fold with an overpair to the board, and calling the raise was essentially putting almost a third of my remaining chips into the pot.

The second $2.00 has been received and I have looked at the bet sizing video. I'm sorry I didn't see this video earlier since it contains some very useful information and tips.

I'm currently at 3.26 VPPs so my target is 13.26 VPPs to obtain the next tranche.

Also, thank you for the tips on average pot size and players per flop.

Regards

MNJAI
 
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Lost my buy-in - Tue Aug 13, 2013, 07:38 PM
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Lost my buy-in ($2) on this one hand. It was the second hand that I played so I really didn't have a good read on anyone. Since I wasn't all in pre-flop, should I have checked on the paired flop? Your comments would be appreciated.

 
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Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:41 PM
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Hi,

Hand Analysis


You played it perfectly pre-flop! Well done!

Post flop this is such a dry board texture, it's very unlikely the villains has a range of 9x in their flat 4bet calling range maybe A9s at best but even then that would be a minus EV call. When all of the re-raising action ensued pre flop the villains default range from that position could easily be weighted towards AK AQ AA KK QQ JJ TT all of which will call our 4bet or get in all in pre flop based on our stack depth, we beat all of those hands and the continuation bet on the flop can get value from all the above mentioned holdings (even AK AQ hero floats). Unlucky flop for our hand, don't let this lose discourage you, the villain made an extremely loose call and got incredibly lucky to make a minus EV call work out...as the saying goes "get it in bad and hold"


Hope this helps.


Kind regards,
CannonLee



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Tue Aug 13, 2013, 10:45 PM
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Hello,


Your third Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 3rd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 4th bonus. Let us know if you hit that target

2) If you lose your 3rd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.

3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.



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Thanks - Wed Aug 14, 2013, 12:34 AM
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Thanks for the analysis/feedback.

I feel a lot better now. I thought you were going to tell me that it is dangerous to "fall in love" with pocket aces or kings; that pre flop they are great, but post flop they are just one pair.

The third bonus has been received. Thanks again.

Regards

MNJAI
 
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I won!! - Wed Aug 14, 2013, 01:22 AM
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I won this hand, but I'd appreciate your take on how villain played his hand. This hand started as a blind steal attempt by me, since the table seemed to be playing very tight. I decided to stay in the hand when I flopped top pair and an open ended straight draw. The turn gave me trip nines and I still had the draw. The river then gave me a full house. Villain had a gut shot on the flop which he stuck with, and which gave him the straight on the river. I had position on villain but he called my raise on the flop and he bet again on the turn. I'm happy that I won, but I would have played villain's hand differently.




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MNJAI
 
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Wed Aug 14, 2013, 11:50 AM
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Hi,

The villain could have played their hand in a few different ways as to not lose 100+bb at this full ring table. First off let's look at the amount of outs they had on the flop jack x 3 outs, ten x 3 outs, 8 x 3 outs.. that is a total of 9 outs, which would mean they have in the area of about 20% to 25% equity, ultimately leading to any money they invest at this point they can expect to win 20% to 25% of their money back versus our hand which is a minus expected value (-EV) play!

If I was playing the villains hand in this scenario I would have check called the flop and maybe fold on the turn depending on bet sizing and my overall reads on the opponent, for pot control as to not inflate the pot being at a positional disadvantage and re-evaluate my course of action on the turn. If my opponent bet the turn I would have folded, we are drawing semi-thin to an inside straight draw with two over cards and Ax, Kx or Qx will have decent showdown value with high card and may even have us out kicked if we pair our hand. When the board pairs I wouldn't be to concerned about my opponent having a range of 9x taking card removal into account. The villain could have lost a lot less in this hand by not over playing a thin draw.


Hope this helps.

By the way, very nice pot and nice hand!


CannonLee



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Thank You. - Wed Aug 14, 2013, 07:52 PM
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Thank you very much.

Another hand for your feedback please.

Just wondering what your opinion is on check-raising on the flop (two overcards and the nut flush draw) and betting on the river (top pair good kicker). I didn't, but on reflection, I'm wondering if I should have i.e. did I play too passively?



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