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Bankroll Builder - Thu Aug 01, 2013, 08:43 PM
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Hi,

I would like to qualify for the Bankroll Builder Program.

Thanks,

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Fri Aug 02, 2013, 12:14 AM
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Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!


Be sure to read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.


>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!


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Fri Aug 02, 2013, 12:54 PM
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Hi Ladywolf171,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!
NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.


After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.
Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.


Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basics Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.
So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!


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Hand analysis - Fri Aug 02, 2013, 08:36 PM
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Hello,

Here is a hand I would like some thoughts on...



I raised initially with the A K off suited. After the flop i saw that I had top pair, but knew that there could be a potential flush draw for a villain so I just bet about half the pot. The turn was bad for me and meant now a villain could have a straight, so I slowed down and just checked, knowing that if someone else bet I would fold. They all checked so I ruled that out. The river was a 3, now potentially giving someone three of a kind. Knowing I now had a weaker hand I only made a small bet, a reraise and I would have folded. Surprisingly I won the hand.

Was there a better way to have played this to have put my hand in a better position or extract more chips? The players at the table were mostly pretty loose and likely to play with weak hands

Thanks!!!

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Another hand analysis - Fri Aug 02, 2013, 09:23 PM
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Hello,

So I have another hand which I would quite like some advice on. I think I played it all wrong.



So I was small blind, and I had a decent hand. I know I should have probably raised but I thought I should just make a cheap call (my first mistake). Then the flop. I had two pair so I immediately bet three quarters of the pot. After the turn I was worried that a villain could have made a straight. So I checked and a villain made a small bet. I thought that they could have the straight and were trying to get more value but I called anyway as it was only a small bet. The turn made me think I was to be beaten by a straight so I just checked again. And the villain bet about 1/3 of the pot. As I was now invested I made the decision to call. And surprisingly won.

But I feel I might have a made a few mistakes with this hand, so any help would be appreciated. I didn't have much of read on the other players yet.

Thanks!!!!
 
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Fri Aug 02, 2013, 11:28 PM
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Thank you for posting these hands for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at them for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once they've been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Poker Basics Course - Sat Aug 03, 2013, 06:31 AM
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I have also read through the poker basic courses and passed the assessment

Thanks
 
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Sat Aug 03, 2013, 11:29 AM
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Hi Ladywolf171!

With AK (or any other hand that I want to open with), I'm going to make a standard raise, which is to 3BB+1BB for each limper. With no limps, I will raise to 3BB or 30 chips. By keeping all of my raises standard, the opps are continually guessing as to the strength of my hand. Opps that bet more with better hands and less with marginal ones are basically turning their hands face-up to an observant opp.. something I do not want to do.

I flop top pair and when it checks to me, I need to make a standard value bet. Post flop bets need to be sized based on the pot size, number of opps and the board texture. With 3 opps in the hand, I need to bet 3/4 pot, so I will bet 184. I do not want to bet less than this, as this can give the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me (especially if the opp has diamonds). If I give them the correct odds and they do outdraw me, it's my own fault that I lose the hand.

The turn puts a second flush draw and other straight draws out there. When it gets to me, I need to make another value bet, both to get value for my hand, but also to protect my hand against the draws. Since there are still 3 opps, I need to bet 3/4 pot. HOWEVER, this creates a new problem. This bet is over 1/3 of my remaining chips, which means that I'm pot-committed and due to this, cannot ever fold. Since I'm going to be pot-committed by this bet, I need to SHOVE the turn.

The key with this hand is to make standard bets, not to make larger bets when the hand is strong and smaller ones if the hand weakens.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sat Aug 03, 2013, 11:30 AM
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Excellent!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.
Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game Course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks completed and we will award you with your next buy-in.

Best of Luck!


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Cash game hand for analysis - Sat Aug 03, 2013, 08:57 PM
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Hello,

Here is a cash game for analysis.



So I had an off suited A and K preflop. An opponent raised so instead of reraising, I just made the call. But should I have made a reraise?

Post flop, The first opp checked and the second made a relatively small bet, and knowing I had top pair and top kicker I decided to make a large bet, particularly to shut down any flush draw. Should I have bet even bigger, such as 20 - 24 cents?

After my opponent called, the turn showed there could be a straight draw. But my opponent checked and I though that they didnt have it. So to shut down any chance of making the opponents hand, while protecting mine, I shoved, knowing with the opponents smaller stack they may fold.

But was this too risky?


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Sat Aug 03, 2013, 11:39 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Another hand for analysis - Sun Aug 04, 2013, 03:57 AM
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Hello,

Here is another hand that I felt I played completely wrong, but I'm not quite sure what I should have done.



So I was early position and maybe shouldn't have played this hand, but I did. After I raised I was left with only one opponent. This opponent will quite frequently make small bets even when they have the best hand by far.

Post flop, I knew I had the Ace, but a low kicker. There was a potential flush draw for the opp, but not for me. So I tried to shut it down with a big bet. And the opp called.

The turn was even worse for me. Now I wasn't quite sure what to do here. Should I have made a small information sort of a bet? Folded? I wasn't sure so I just checked. And the opp checked too. Following the river I made a half bet, not knowing quite what I should have done, knowing that the opp would probably have the better hand and was just calling me per his standard sort of play, so should I have just checked again and denied him the chance to build a bigger pot?

I just know I played this all wrong.

My main question is. What do you do if you have top pair, and the flop/turn/river does give another a flush draw. Do you check to them? Or make a small information bet?

Thanks!!!!
 
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Hand analysis - Sun Aug 04, 2013, 04:26 AM
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The story of how I lost my stack.

Where did I go wrong?





Thanks

 
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List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet? - Sun Aug 04, 2013, 07:47 AM
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List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

1) To protect against strong draws
2) To put a lot of pressure on opponents
3) To gain value from very strong hands

I will sit the quiz when I am able

Thanks

 
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Sun Aug 04, 2013, 10:58 AM
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Thank you for posting these hands for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at them for you.
He will do this within the next 24 hours and once they've been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Sun Aug 04, 2013, 11:57 AM
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Hi Ladywolf171! I'll run through the hands in posts #10-13.

#10. With AKo in late position, I'd sometimes re-raise for value, but only if the first player had opened in middle-late position. When they open early, their range is much stronger, so it's best to just call with AK, like you did. Your thought process on the later streets is rather different to how I look at the hand. The flop comes KT6 and the pre-flop raiser makes a continuation bet of 6c into 19c. This is a small bet, which could be a trap (with KK, TT, AA or AK) but often represents genuine weakness. While the idea of raising might appeal, worse hands are unlikely to call. When you have a strong hand, you don't want worse hands to fold. You want them to stay in the pot, because their bets and calls are how you get value. As played, you make a small raise, and this small size doesn't help to narrow villain's range much. The turn brings a jack, which connects well with the flop. If villain made a loose call on the flop with AQ, he just made the nuts. JJ turned a set, and QQ picked up an open-ended straight draw. Villain checks not because he is necessarily weak, but because it's standard to check to the raiser on the previous street. He wants to see what you do before making his decision. You decided to go all in, and I think this is a bad play. If villain has a draw, you want him to CALL, not fold, because his call will give you value, and the draw will only hit about 20% of the time. By making a bet of about 75% of pot, you'd get value from worse hands and draws, and they would be making a mistake, because they still won't have good odds. By shoving, all the worse hands fold. The only hands that will call this overbet are hands that BEAT your hand. It's crucial you understand this point if you want to make money from poker: When betting with made hands, you should set a price that gets value from worse. Don't try to make worse hands fold! Something between half pot and full pot is ideal. If you make overbets, you get "value-owned", because worse hands fold and only better hands will call.
Villain folded this time, so you probably missed a lot of value. With a worse pair or a draw, they would have called a normal bet.

#11 With A8s in middle position, I would fold pre-flop, because it's not a great hand and you're likely to get called by someone who has position on you. As played, you raised and got called. Betting the flop is standard, but I think your size is a little too big. When the flushy card hits the turn, checking is the best play. You won't get called by worse if you bet there, because worse hands will be scared of the flush. Since only better hands are likely to call or bet, checking is best. Your hand is relatively weak on the river, as the board contains several cards higher than your kicker, but you can make a small value-bet, expecting to chop the pot sometimes. The bet-check-bet line might even mean you get looked up by just a queen that doesn't believe you have the ace.
Notice that you had some tricky decisions in this hand, and much of that comes from playing it in the first place. Weak aces do not play well out of position, so be more inclined to fold pre-flop next time.

#13. Pre-flop with AK is standard. Betting 12c into 15c on the flop is good too, as this is a fairly wet flop with straight and flush draws. Villain calls and you hit an ace on the turn. You now have top two, but Broadway is out there. Another value-bet is called for, and my usual line is to bet-fold, meaning I'll bet for value, but consider folding if I get raised. Villain just calls again. It seems he's not too scared by the ace, so he probably already has two pairs (KJ) or a pair + draw combo with KQ/KT/JT. You're beating all these hands, so want to get as much value from them as possible. 36c into 39c would be good if you were deep-stacked, but you only have 76c in total. Any bet you make will commit you to getting the rest in on the river. I'd probably go with 26c on the turn and 50c on the river, because I like to double my bet-size on each street. Unfortunately, the river card means you'll have trouble getting paid if you have the best hand. The puts 4 cards to Broadway on the board. You have to ship in your last 40c, because you're pot committed, and you'll be fine if villain has KQ or AQ, as he's always paying you off, but KT and JT are also in his range.
You were most unfortunate in this hand, but if it's any consolation, I'd be going broke here too. You made a monster hand, but villain stuck around with his pair+draw combo and hit a 4-outer on the river. That's just poker, really. Sometimes the Rivergods bring bad news for you.

Better luck with the next stage of the promo, and good luck with the quiz!

Cheers,
Arty


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Quiz - Mon Aug 05, 2013, 08:14 PM
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Thanks for the analysis of those hands

I have now passed the quiz.

Whats the next step?

Thanks

 
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Mon Aug 05, 2013, 09:32 PM
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Hi Ladywolf171,

Fantastic!

Your next Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving this bonus and you will automatically be credited with the next bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your this bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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VPP checke - Sun Aug 18, 2013, 09:00 PM
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Hello,

I currently have 10 VPPs, but am not sure how many I had before the bonus. Could you please advise me on how many more I have to earn?

Thanks

Ladywolf171
 
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Mon Aug 19, 2013, 12:23 AM
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Hi Ladywolf171,

The system is not showing 10 vpps as yet, but it can take 48 to 72 hours to register.
If your next bonus as not been released by tomorrow evening we'll check again.

Good luck at the tables.

Joss


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