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6max 10nl zoom JJ on TsJsQ best line on flop? 3 way pot - Mon Aug 05, 2013, 09:11 PM
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MP its playing 23/16/1,9AF 137 hands the BB 22/6/0,9 66 hands

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Button ($10.11)
Hero (SB) ($16.90)
BB ($16.58)
UTG ($7.87)
MP ($13.91)
CO ($10)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, J
1 fold, MP raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.30, BB calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.05) Q, 10, J (3 players)

So whats the best line preflop, also whats the plan if we lead and get raise or if we check-raise or check-call.
 
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Tue Aug 06, 2013, 03:07 AM
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Check-raising seems like the best line for me.
That's what you would do if you had a flush draw, combo draw, so villains might stack off with a lot worse.
I believe that KK, AA, and any Qx will bet that flop.
We don't want to see a spade, 9, K, or an A on the turn, which will either help our opponent or kill the action, so no check-call imo.
You could donk bet, but it will look too strong since it's a wet board and we probably aren't getting raised by a lot of hands, so we have to continue firing on any turn.

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Tue Aug 06, 2013, 12:02 PM
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Hi guys,

I actually prefer leading out. It doesn't look nearly as strong as check-raising imo as people typically donk lead with draws and 1 pair hands (to avoid giving free cards and "see where they're at"). While we might check-raise a combo draw in this spot it's also how everyone tends to play sets, so our flop check-raising range on this board texture is very strong (sets and big draws) while our donking range is far less defined and weaker (draws and 1 pairs/2 pairs, and weighted away from sets since villains expect those to check-raise a lot).

A couple other reasons leading is preferable to me... first it may trap the BB in between, if he's got a hand like AQ and we successfully check-raise he has a pretty easy fold imo, but by donking we put him in a sticky spot and give him a better chance to make a mistake. And, with it being a 3 way pot we can't count on MP to c-bet for us... he will often check back hands like AQ, maybe KQ, KJ, AJ, A8s... all stuff that we really don't want to give a free card to (not to mention it's a free card to 2 players not just him). He may even decided to check back AA or KK in position on such a coordinated board to avoid being check-raised.

I would lead, and plan to fire again on any non A/K/9 turn. If we get raised on the flop, I think reraising is ok and am generally willing to stack off. The only concerns are AK and QQ but while QQ is our disaster scenario I think a villain will also stack off TT here so those 2 are sort of a wash... and we can still draw out on AK. We get stacks in vs. enough worse hands to compensate for stacking bad vs. AK imo... AA/KK/KQ are all candidates to possibly run with us.


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Tue Aug 06, 2013, 04:50 PM
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Thanks Dave, glad i did lead out and got it in, not very happy about the result lol.
 

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