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Value from flopped quads.. - Sun Aug 11, 2013, 11:44 AM
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Hi all found my self in a total alian position today while taking a shot at 5nl...I am pretty sure i have best hand on the flop and that it will hold.....




so limited hands with Villain 6 but so far (20 hands) played fairly LAG
Villain 8 seems fairly TAG 100+ hands.

So whats the best way to get MAX value (willing to guess its not the way I actually played it


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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 01:15 PM
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It was discussed in the tournament section, raising flop is best decision all TT+ pairs will pay
 
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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 06:29 PM
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Hi Grade b,

Definitely raise the flop imo.

The preflop raiser is likely either stabbing with ace high, or has a decent pocket pair. He is never folding the pairs to a flop raise, and may peel with ace high. The caller's range is similar except that his range is probably capped to JJ mostly, so his pairs on average will be smaller than the PFR's. But it's not a board texture that players are ready to fold a boat on. And their hands are likely to get worse, not better. The big action hands (pocket pairs) might not like the turn card. If PFR has JJ and the caller has 77, then a king on the turn might freeze your action out. At least, stack action. Plus, it's a single raised pot, so we need to get some more money in the pot if we are going to win a hogger. Our best chance to bloat the pot is right now.

So in summary, raise now because:

-both their ranges are the type that can give action now
-It's more likely turn and rivers will decrease our action, not increase it
-Getting more money in right now gives us the best possible chance to get stacks in this hand.


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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 08:37 PM
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ty both,

I did raise the flop and both called then i bet turn and one fold one call bet the river to see TT tabled.

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Sun Aug 11, 2013, 10:41 PM
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So you got max value from TT, which is why you raise the flop, to win a big pot from those pairs. Not understanding the question in the OP really about how to get max value, when you did so... Hopefully it looked something like this:

Raise to .65
call .65
call .65

Pot = 2.41

Bet 2
Call 2
Fold

Pot = 6.41

Bet 3.84 and is all in
Call 3.84


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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 12:28 AM
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the question was with 2 villains not one do I still raise the flop!!

and sadly it was min
50
50
for a good pay day but not stacks


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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 01:30 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Grade b View Post
the question was with 2 villains not one do I still raise the flop!!

and sadly it was min
50
50
for a good pay day but not stacks
so did you bet 50 in to 1.96?
You can't make them pay all in with just A high but it's too small bet

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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 10:30 AM
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the question was with 2 villains not one do I still raise the flop!!

and sadly it was min
50
50
for a good pay day but not stacks
The better focus for the question is on bet sizing... and thanks for posting as this is something we can all learn from!

Raise on the flop with this depth of money if there are anywhere between 1 and 18 villains in the hand. You can't make them all have a boat or ace high, but those that do will give some action. Actually the more villains, the better raising becomes as the more likely it is there are pocket pairs out that my original reply applies to.

When you have a hand that wants to play for stacks, think about how to structure the bet sizing to get stacks in by the river with reasonable (callable) sizings.


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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 11:29 AM
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so did you bet 50 in to 1.96?
You can't make them pay all in with just A high but it's too small bet
Sorry not great righting by me I meant 50% of pot


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Mon Aug 12, 2013, 12:59 PM
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