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25nl zoom sb vs bb bluff catch? - Fri Aug 16, 2013, 06:40 PM
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vs 31/23/1.8 78 stats and stack size, look recreational, although he was playing more than 1 table.

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Button ($47.69)
Hero (SB) ($25)
BB ($22.72)
UTG ($39.50)
MP ($26.55)
CO ($9.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 8
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 8, 9, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, BB raises to $2.35, Hero calls $1.55

Turn: ($6.20) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

River: ($12.70) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.25,

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Call or fold river?

His bet size tells me he probably wants a call, but he is also giving me a nice prize and have seen sometimes that recreational players bet small as bluff.
 
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Fri Aug 16, 2013, 10:27 PM
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The villain's got high such VPIP/PFR stats, but low AF ...

Sometimes ... is his turn c-bet low by any chance? And/or does he have a high w$sd?

If not, never mind

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Fri Aug 16, 2013, 11:57 PM
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Hi Carlos,

If we take a line of calling his flop raise, then I think we should check-call him down when all drawing hands brick out. I would think a 9 would either wait til the turn to raise us, and/or bet bigger on the turn and river, so this doesn't look like trips to me. We just helped against K8 and Q8 as we tie them now. 8x just drew a tie on us. We beat worse pairs, and all the straight draw combos.

I would at least call. Another interesting option is to check-shove over a smallish river bet... he'll fold his busted draws obviously, but will probably fold out all 8x chops as well and may even fold a hand like TT that flatted pre looking for no over cards before getting aggressive. All these are hands which make sense for him to hold given the line he's taken. Since it seems pretty likely we are tied or winning here, I actually kind of like the check-shove. Something to consider.


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Sat Aug 17, 2013, 11:42 AM
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is his turn c-bet low by any chance? And/or does he have a high w$sd?

If not, never mind
Turn cbet 0(2), and WTSD 27(15)

Thanks Dave, at the time I didn't consider check-shoving, but reviewing the hand after i also thought it could be an option, my only concern its that he would have to call only $11 on a $36 pot, so maybe he only folds 8x, for the split?

Anyway i did call

PokerStars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://flopturnriver.com/

Button ($47.69)
Hero (SB) ($25)
BB ($22.72)
UTG ($39.50)
MP ($26.55)
CO ($9.95)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 8
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) 8, 9, 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $0.80, BB raises to $2.35, Hero calls $1.55

Turn: ($6.20) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25

River: ($12.70) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5.25, Hero calls $5.25

Total pot: $23.20 | Rake: $1.04

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Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:05 PM
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The actual result makes the call even clearly more correct. Nice hand.


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Sat Aug 17, 2013, 01:16 PM
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Turn cbet 0(2), and WTSD 27(15)

Is the w$sd over 60%?

Even with a small sample size, and even blind vs blind, with an AF of less than 2 ... I thought maybe the villain might be doing this with AdXd and backed into TP. But to do it with AhXh is unexpected, especially after you called the flop.

Sometimes I've had regs take lines that aren't in line with their stats, but it's almost always been because of something I know they're looking at in mine. But usually that's with a much bigger sample size that we've got versus each other?

Maybe he was just tilted?


Will have to remember to try Dave's idea of reraising the river if a good situation arises
 

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