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Online muck need to look at replay / HH - Live do you show - Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:00 PM
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Sorry if wrong forum section.

But it's what we do on-line "what did they call with" so we can look in HH file or click the replay button. But live in a casino does the button here have to show? Do I turn my cards calling the all-in in live play or do I wait to see what my opponent has?

Nice hand sir and mucks

Ever seen a free flop in the bb with 84o? More a live rules question but a fun hand anyway. I couldn't believe it what are the odds of that happening.

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Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:12 PM
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Hi Forrest!

The last bet was made by them and you called, so they're obligated to show and if they try to muck, you can ask to see their cards live.

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Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:49 AM
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Hi Forrest!

The last bet was made by them and you called, so they're obligated to show and if they try to muck, you can ask to see their cards live.

John (JWK24)

Thanks John, I'm looking at the dealer "I paid to see those cards" so I need to ask see if they don't turn them over.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2013, 09:51 AM
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Unsure about cash but generally in live tournaments if it is an all in pot then both players should turn their hands over regardless of who was the aggressor etc. I remember a dealer applied this rule at WPT National Barcelona when someone made a crying call after bluff raising a river with 4th pair, villain shoved for a tiny amount more and the dealer flipped over the calling hand after the opponent had turned over a set of kings. I have never seen a player get more angry, rules is rules.

In non all-in pots last aggressor (typically) is meant to show first.
 
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Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:08 AM
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Thanks John, I'm looking at the dealer "I paid to see those cards" so I need to ask see if they don't turn them over.
Right. If they try to muck, tell the dealer that you paid to see them and the dealer is obligated to show the cards.

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Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:56 AM
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Tournaments are different, standard tournament rules for all in pots (when there's no more action possible) is that all hands are immediately turned up, before any more board cards get placed. In cash games this isn't required for all in situations.

In all non-all in cases the aggressor has to show first. Sometimes they will wait for you the caller to show because they don't want to expose their hand if they lose, but if no one is showing the correct order is the aggressor shows first (you called him). If he wants to concede the pot and just fold without showing, I would generally let him. You do have a right to ask to see the hand, but keep in mind if you ask this then his hand is still live, even if he's folded face down. It's not like during betting actions when folding kills his hand. Once you are at the showdown, and you are contesting the pot with him in showdown, if the hand is tabled voluntarily by him OR at your request it is live. I've seen this happen before where a guy was bluffing a busted flush draw, got called, said nh and tried to fold, but the caller said dealer I want to see that hand. He won a big pot with a rivered straight he didn't realize he made as he had been so focused on the flopped flush draw and his straight came runner runner. To me, it's usually not worth the risk that they misread their hand or backed into something they didn't see. If I call and he mucks, he was bluffing. Good enough for me typically.


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