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5NL Zoom 8Js open ended vs 2 villians on the flop - Fri Aug 23, 2013, 07:35 PM
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Ok so first off I know calling that bet pre was a little lose which I'm trying to stop doing in order to increase my BR playing zoom cash games.

NOw on the flop I'm open ended BUT I see the board is an action flop with that flush draw which takes some of my outs away. Preflop I assumed villian 2 had something like AK or QQ with his bet large bet size of 4x I wasnt too concerned about the the limper until he reraised after the flop that had me thinking he had the flush draw.

Would you in this spot get all the money in after seeing so much aggression post flop? Me personally I'm a loose player so even though I knew I was beat preflop and post flop 100% I felt that I could maybe outdraw them and prayed nobody had a flush draw.
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:11 AM
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I don't like playing draws without fold equity it's -EV, in a multy-way pots passive line is better ,but after such action it's clear fold for me , you are missing equity to put all in.
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 04:42 AM
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Calling isn't horrible if we know the the utg limper will overcall.

When the SB 3bets the flop we have an easy fold. Our outs are tainted due to the flush draw and so we only have 6 outs (at best) to our straight. Our pair outs are also never good given the action.

If we had Jc8c we'd have a clear value jam, but we don't so we should fold
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:03 AM
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An easy fold i think. Cause SB has most likely beaten us at the preflop. Besides the board is hitting the UTG limpers range very well.
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 07:04 AM
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+1 to what the guys have already said.
We are basically drawing to 6 outs and not 8 and getting it in with 24% equity is -EV

"Ok so first off I know calling that bet pre was a little lose which I'm trying to stop doing in order to increase my BR playing zoom cash games." I agree
 
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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 02:00 PM
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Everyone was spot on as I thought thanks alot! When I saw the board my biggest fear was a flush draw especially a hand like JQ suited or even my J8 but of clubs I would throw up and quit for a few days if the limper showed that haha. Like I said before though I knew I was beat preflop and definitely crushed post flop to either a big pair, flush draw or trips, I was praying they just had big pairs.

.....I got super lucky vs these monster hands the fish survives for another day. I need to play tighter in the future so sick lol

 

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