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1.50 50/50, Bad play or Cooler? - Fri Aug 23, 2013, 11:01 PM
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No hud so no stats, although villain had been involved in quite a few pots. I felt pot committed with less than a pot sized bet left on the turn.



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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:25 AM
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Hey Joy!!

I'd ask how the tables have been treating you, but it looks like it's about the same as me lol I'm just coming off a heater though, so it's just my time.

Looks well played as usual to me, so I vote cooler (although I don't play 50/50s). Hopefully the luck'll go your way next time!!

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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 12:39 AM
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cooler for sure


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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:06 AM
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Hi Joy!

I'd definitely put it in the cooler category (with an asterisk), but I would have went about the hand a bit differently.

Preflop, with a limp in front of me, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so I'd raise to 320. With a premium hand, I don't want to raise less and price in a marginal hand to draw. Early in one of these, I'd expect to get enough players that would stay, I don't want to invite too many into the pot.

I see three unders on the flop but there is a diamond draw. When it checks to me, I'm going to bet 2/3 pot (what I need to bet to price out the draw), so I will bet 533. Betting 400 will price out one opp, but not both of them, if they both stay.

On the turn, with a SPR under 1, it's an instant ship for me. I'm getting them in here every single time.

Unfortunately, they hit their 6 outer, which will happen 12% of the time. However, the opp did made a -EV play on the turn and to get the opp to make a negative play, is all that I can do... BUT... I want them to have to make a -EV play on every single street, not just on one or two streets.

The opp only needs 25% equity to call the smaller bet preflop and 78s has 25% equity, even if the opps are playing top 10% ranges, so the opp made a +EV play preflop (but they made a -EV play on the flop and turn).

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Sat Aug 24, 2013, 01:59 AM
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Hi Joy!

I'd definitely put it in the cooler category (with an asterisk), but I would have went about the hand a bit differently.

Preflop, with a limp in front of me, I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper, so I'd raise to 320. With a premium hand, I don't want to raise less and price in a marginal hand to draw. Early in one of these, I'd expect to get enough players that would stay, I don't want to invite too many into the pot.

I see three unders on the flop but there is a diamond draw. When it checks to me, I'm going to bet 2/3 pot (what I need to bet to price out the draw), so I will bet 533. Betting 400 will price out one opp, but not both of them, if they both stay.

On the turn, with a SPR under 1, it's an instant ship for me. I'm getting them in here every single time.

Unfortunately, they hit their 6 outer, which will happen 12% of the time. However, the opp did made a -EV play on the turn and to get the opp to make a negative play, is all that I can do... BUT... I want them to have to make a -EV play on every single street, not just on one or two streets.

The opp only needs 25% equity to call the smaller bet preflop and 78s has 25% equity, even if the opps are playing top 10% ranges, so the opp made a +EV play preflop (but they made a -EV play on the flop and turn).

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)

I think it's actually 9 outs,isn't it? All 4 9's play,2 more 7's for trips and 3 8's for 2 pair. Which bumps their equity up to 20.5% on the turn call.

Still a bad call by them on the turn Joy. Look at your play as they should have...

We're level 5 here so they've seen you,you've seen them for several orbits by now. Can't see how they could think that you're ever weaker than an over pair to their weak 7 when they make both the flop and the turn calls,not with the line you took and from MP1 to boot. That says strength,especially since it's a fair bet that you were showing one of,if not THE tightest images on the table. The J on the flop doesn't slow you down,the 10 on the turn either. I'm thinking QQ+ or even worse and set of J's or 10's is going to be what you have if I'm the villain. If it's the naked pair then my 20.5% equity on the turn call ain't good enough as I have 29% pot equity. If you DO have either set it's even worse as 8's and 7's are gone for me as outs and only the 4 9's can save me. And with your line here JJ and 1010 are easily in your range,at least they would be to a player that's paying any attention.

Which the villain here was not,apparently.

Be a little more aggressive in your bet-sizing is the one fix I would make here,Joy.JW's on point ...3x +1 for each limper is a good rule of thumb at this depth stack sizes vs the blinds and the 2/3's pot on the flop is also ideal. Remember to be consistent in your betting patterns for the most part (it doesn't hurt to have an odd "change-up" play in your bag from time to time to keep opps wrong-footed as much as possible...I personally try to mix it up on when I mix it up...maybe an odd-ball line on a drawing hand one time and with premiums the next...).

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