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360 man games tight is right or looser value shoves. - Sun Aug 25, 2013, 06:14 PM
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Hi all,

Have you played any 360man (50c) games recently?

do you prefer tight play or do you open up your range against the perceived looser field.


A hand Ahar010 played in his series of these in May had me thinking

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/art...videos-ahar010

in the video
Andy was UTG and dealt TT you he raised play it and the CO shoves 1500 all in?

Personally i would 3x to start and then fold to the shove, but might be too tight?


Was wondering what everyone else thinks.

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Sun Aug 25, 2013, 06:25 PM
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I think the tight is right theory applies as long as you have more than 10 big blinds.
If you have less than 10BB's or antes kick in and the pot is already more than 10% of our stack, I start playing a lot looser, shoving and calling shoves a lot lighter.
I would even shove 54s suited on the SB vs a tight villain on the BB.
As for the TT hand, I am calling readless but I don't know if that is the best move.
 
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Sun Aug 25, 2013, 06:29 PM
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Hi Grade b,

I think Andy was playing the 10c 360s, not sure about .50c ones, but I'm answer since he's off the rest of the month, and I've done a couple member reviews of 10c 360s... I would get TT in here, I think folding is too tight.

There are 2 reasons:

1) The ranges are much wider, people are shoving all kinds of garbage. It's not just a race or bigger pair. I've seen this repeatedly by Ax suited and offsuit, any pair, sometimes Kx. TT is just way too strong to fold vs. such a wide and crazy range.

2) The structure of these events is very fast, so even though it's early I don't think we can pass such a good spot to go for a double up vs a probable very wide range. In fast structure events, when I think it's close, I generally don't opt for the "wait for a better spot" approach, as time for the proverbial better spot to manifest is quickly fleeting. And this particular spot isn't really very close imo.


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Mon Aug 26, 2013, 07:58 PM
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Andy has done two 50 cent sessions split over 4 videos (sessions 138/139 and 142/143)

Although there are still players pushing junk in the 50c game it is my perception the the 50 c games have tighter players that the 10 cent games.

I'm struggling therefore to make a all in call against an unknown in this spot for my tournament life. I have been in this spot a few times but tend to default to thinking the player is reasonable unless they prove otherwise. But i can't argue the fast structure (although the progression is slower than a normal turbo).

On Wed I will look though my PT4 and pull up some early spots to look at, But I thinkI need to adjust the way i look at these games.

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Tue Aug 27, 2013, 09:43 AM
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I... tend to default to thinking the player is reasonable unless they prove otherwise.
I would suggest that if they are shoving all in on level 1 first to act, or over a single raise, they are usually attempting to prove otherwise. I guess we will sometimes run into JJ or QQ that they are scared to play post flop, but we should often run into something worse.

I think it's a good policy to give players the benefit of the doubt until we have evidence they're bad. But taking into consideration that we can expect most of the player pool in .50c games to not be good players, coupled with the action, is some fair circumstantial evidence at least.


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Tue Aug 27, 2013, 07:25 PM
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ty Dave, I will bear that in mind over the next set of games I play as it does make sense.

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