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Bankroll Builder - Thu Aug 29, 2013, 05:30 AM
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Hi,
I would like to take part in the Bankroll Builder promotion.
 
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Thu Aug 29, 2013, 09:23 AM
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Hi,
I would like to take part in the Bankroll Builder promotion.
Welcome to PokerSchoolOnline!

Please read THIS just to be be sure of exactly what's on offer with the Bankroll Builder promotion.

>>click here<< for a complete overview of what PSO has to offer.

We will advise within 24 hours as to whether or not you will be eligible for this promotion. Please check back this time tomorrow!

Thank you for being a member of www.pokerschoolonline.com and best of luck to you at the tables!

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Fri Aug 30, 2013, 10:55 AM
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Hello,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.



After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.



Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!

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Discussion of hands - Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:15 AM
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Hi,I have 2 hands that I would like to discuss



In the above hand,I had J-9. The flop was Q-J-2. A person before me bet for BB . So,I thought that he might have a J as well . So,I raised to 140 from 40(BB) to see if someone might have a Q and would re-raise,but no one did and the original bettor called . On the turn another Q came and this time he checked . So,I bet for 300 chips and as suspected he folded .

I want to ask if I should just call on the flop in such a situation or was it right to raise on it and test other people as well because anyone could have limped-in for just BB.Also, what is the right move for the turn in such a case.



In this hand I had A-8 . The flop was A-Q-8 . Everybody checked including me as I tried to slow-play it . Another 8 came on the turn . This time also everyone checked . Another Q came on the river . I put out 350 chips and everyone called . I had a full house (8s full of Aces) . But,another guy had a Q and made a bigger full house (Qs full of 8s) and I lost the pot . I now realize that I should have bet on the turn . But , what about the flop . Should I have bet there also for say 150 chips(BB 40)?

Thanks
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:33 AM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 01:06 PM
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Hi rage9109sh! I'll analyse the hands in post #4.

1. With J9 in middle position, I'd just fold pre-flop. This is a trashy hand and you're not closing the action. If there were two limpers and you were on the button, then calling would be OK, but in this position there's likely to be multiple players in the pot and you won't be acting last. As played, there's a minraise behind you and several calls, so you're "priced in" to call, but I would be hoping to flop an open-ended straight draw or a trips, because just hitting a jack or 9 won't be good very often. With middle pair on the QJ2 flop, I would just call the minbet. What purpose does raising do? "Raising for information" is generally not a good idea. You're not closing the action and you're just bloating the pot when there's a good chance someone has you beat. It's 4-handed on the turn, and the queen makes it less likely that someone has one, so you can bet and expect everyone to fold fairly often, but you've basically turned your hand into a bluff. You're betting because you want everyone to fold, which is a curious play to make when you have a real hand. If your pair is good, then you want worse hands to call. By repping a bigger hand, nothing worse will call (so you get no value) and you make it so that only better hands will give you action. You risk "valueowning" yourself. Don't do this. With medium strength hands, try and keep the pot small, in order to get to showdown cheaply. In a heads up pot, then raising the flop might be a good play, but in a multiway pot, it's far better to just call. If you call the flop, you could bet the turn if it's checked to you, or you could check, as it's unlikely anyone will bet unless they have you beat.

2. With A8s, I would just call pre-flop. While raising to take control of the hand has merit, I'd prefer to do it with a stronger hand, as playing A8s out of position is very tough, as there aren't many good flops for you. (On ace high flops, you have kicker trouble). As played, you raised and got called in two spots. On the AQ8 flop, you should be betting 100% of the time. Slowplaying is nearly always a mistake at these stakes. You raised pre-flop, so villains expect you to bet the flop, whether you hit it or not. Since you can get called by various one pair hands, you should bet for value and start building a pot. You would then follow this up with bets on the turn and river, and often be all in at that point. Slowplaying allows villains to draw out for the cheapest price possible: free of charge! You should definitely be betting the turn. You have a big hand so should be playing a big pot. The river is brutal, because any Q beats you. You lost this pot precisely because you slowplayed. Or to look at it another way, you never put money in the pot on the flop and turn when you were way ahead, and only put money in on the river when you were losing. That's clearly not the right way to make money! You should bet when you're ahead and check-fold when you think you're behind. Get value from worse hands by betting when you're winning. Don't check and let villains draw out for free!

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Arty


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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 02:14 PM
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Super,

Now let us know as soon as you pass the Poker Basic quiz

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Passed the Poker Basic Quiz - Sat Aug 31, 2013, 03:41 PM
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Hi,
I have passed the poker basic quiz
 
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Sun Sep 01, 2013, 07:31 AM
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Hi,
I have passed the poker basic quiz
Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

Best of Luck!


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Hand replayer from 1c/2c table - Tue Sep 03, 2013, 06:49 AM
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Last edited by rage9109sh; Tue Sep 03, 2013 at 07:19 AM..
 
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Completed the tasks - Tue Sep 03, 2013, 07:01 AM
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Hi,
I have watched the video on betting sizes.
Big bets are used to:
1.Put pressure on opponents/bluff them off their decent hands.
2.Build value for very strong hands.
3.As protection against strong draws.

I have also gone through the material on Cash games and passed the Cash Game quiz

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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 02:46 PM
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Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 03:05 PM
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Hi rage9109sh,

I will be your Hand Analyzer for this post

Hand#1: I think calling the flop is descent; we have a gut shot, one over to middle pair, and more importantly the nut backdoor flush draw. But I think we should be raising the turn instead of the river. Because when we do raise the turn and they call we can put a larger bet on the river for value. Also when you raise the river on the 3rd diamond it's kind of turning your hand into a bluff.

Hand#2: I personally would not have over limped into the pot with T6s because it usually won't flop too well and we don't close the action.... ooops... we just flopped the NUTS! We can raise the flop here though to grow the pot size - we don't have to raise too big though to get called by worse pocket pairs and flush draws. Slow playing the nuts in a multiway pot is also an option ofcourse but I like to win a big pot when we do hold the nuts so we have to think of raising at a certain street and usually when we raise early the pot will get much bigger by the river and we can go for max value.

Nice hands!
 
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Wed Sep 04, 2013, 06:32 AM
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I have also gone through the material on Cash games and passed the Cash Game quiz
Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Failed to earn 10VPPs - Fri Sep 06, 2013, 12:41 PM
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Hi,
I was not able to achieve the required target and I did not pay attention that minimum buy-in was 0.80$ and in spite of still having 0.70$ I am not able to buy-in to the minimum stakes table.

Anyway I lost the chips on below two hands:



 
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Using money from EPTlive tournament for this promo - Fri Sep 06, 2013, 03:42 PM
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Hi,
I won 0.21$ from EPTlive tournament . Before this my balance stood at 0.70$ as I mentioned in my earlier post.So,now I can buy in to the minimum stakes table.I wanted to ask if I can go ahead with using this money in conjunction with my 2nd installment of bankroll builder for earning 10VPPs.I also want to clarify that I intend to use it only for buying-in to the table as my 70cents from the 2nd installment were wasted earlier.
Thanks

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Fri Sep 06, 2013, 05:30 PM
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Yes, please continue playing

Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers.


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Fri Sep 06, 2013, 06:01 PM
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Hi again rage

Hand#1: I think we should be folding because of the action before us. Our hand will be dominated often

Hand#2: Given your stack size, calling is fine. Villain will be shoving with worse and we can be flipping against pocket pairs. Just a cooler there.

GL!
 
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Fri Sep 06, 2013, 06:03 PM
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Brilliant,

Your Bankroll Builder progress is moving along nicely and you will receive your 3rd bonus later today!

Step Three

Now we really want you to up your game! Your challenge is to earn 10 VPPs after getting today's buy-in.

Note that any VPPs that you have earned up to this point won't count, only those earned AFTER you get your 3rd buy-in.

When you hit your target of 10 VPPs we will award you with your final Bankroll Builder bonus. Let us know when you reach the target.

Also, if you make a deposit at this stage we will also award you with your final bonus.

Best of Luck at the tables and let us know as soon as you have earned the 10 VPPs or if you make a deposit.

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