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Backdoor full house would you 4 bet jam call or fold the river - Fri Aug 30, 2013, 08:34 PM
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player 4

hands = 346
vpip = 17
pfp = 11
flop c bet = 43

this is a tough spot making full house on the river but only the 4th nuts

did he slow play the flop with KK or 66
did he not c bet with KJ
do we have the same hand
i dont ever think this is a flush

i can here garethC23 words dont call when a split is the best outcome

over to you
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:17 PM
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I think this is a tough spot. Looking at their stats they aren't some wild player but at the same time if he has KJ,KK or 4 of a kind I think he would jam here after you re-raised on the river. You have shown real strength why leave value behind knowing that most with a jack will pay you off. Did you call?
 
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Fri Aug 30, 2013, 09:33 PM
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I will let you all now when i get a few more replys
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:21 AM
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Hi XXXX,

Kind of a loose call with AJo vs UTG imo. Villain is playing 17/11; That's pretty tight for 6max and they are UTG. Our hand does not fair that well post flop against their UTG range.
{ 22+, AJ+, ATs, KQ, KJs, QJs }

I might have taken a stab at the flop after they check. They have a low cbet% so might be a case of a fit or fold opponent, but then checking back is not too bad either although I would be more inclined to check back with AQ than AJ just because we have SD value against AJ when we hold AQ.

Easy call OTT, River is tricky. I think I would disregard flushes from his range because those would cbet the flop.
By the river they will have: { KK, 66, AJ, KQ, KJs, QJs } Raising will get folds from KQ and they will call/raise with KK/66/AJ/KJ/QJs: We win against QJs: 1 combo, Spit with: AJ: 3 combos, Lose to: KK/66/KJ 5 combos. Also we lose to rake when we do split with AJ so raising the river was a mistake as we are losing to more combos.

We now have 18% equity against their river raising range and the pot odds call for 29% equity. Probably need to be folding but YUK!
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 06:30 AM
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I am just calling his river 3bet, this is clearly either a chop or valueownage if you 4bet.
If he has 6x whch I highly doubt about it, he will fold to your 4bet.
Also geovarta we are splitting vs QJ not winning.
 
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Sat Aug 31, 2013, 07:49 AM
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You are right GamblingProp
More reason not to raise the river

Last edited by geoVARTA; Sat Aug 31, 2013 at 07:52 AM..
 
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Thu Sep 05, 2013, 09:54 PM
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I did make the call




Wow did not see a total bluff
none of his sats are out of line

Did he jest see this as a good bluff spot because it is inpossible to call without a very strong hand ?
 

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