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5NL Zoom (6 max) JJ in M/W pot Vs UTG R + 2 callers (CO) & (Btn) - Tue Sep 03, 2013, 05:32 AM
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Background:

My stats: VPIP 21; PFR17; 3bet 13 [85]
Only read on Villain was called 2b from blinds with KQo & played draw Aggressively [OTT].

Pre-flop:

I called UTG Raise rather than 3bet [mistake?] & found myself in a m/w pot after both the (CO) & Villain (Btn) came along for the ride.

Flop:

After hitting top set [... & UTG checked], I decided against leading out & checked behind as did CO. Villain (Btn) then bet $0.65 [pot size]. I was concerned that I would chase away any further action if I were to x/r, so opted to call in the hope he would continue to barrel OTT.

Turn:

I checked again & he duly obliged making it $1.90. With the pot now $3.87 & having discounted AA; KK; QQ [… as I would expect him to 3bet pre-flop] I decided to get it in OTT, having factored in that Villain may play 88 or 44 this way? Villain snap called.

River:

Two cards I didn’t want to see OTR was a Q or 7; in case he was open ended with T9 [… or poss gut shot with 56] & that’s exactly what I got!!!

Questions:

1). What range would you put Villain on & what would he bet 2 streets & snap call x/r 'all in' with OTT?
2). Is it possible he was holding KK?
3). Do you agree with my analysis & the way I played the hand?
4). What would you do differently?

BR Tony [aka Prodigy237]

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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 06:32 AM
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Hand seems standard.
I would put him on 88,44,AJ,J8,JK and maybe 9T,QT if he is a maniac.
I would probably exclude KK since it's a hand perfect for a squeeze.
You can bet flop or check-raise it, but I don't blame you for slowplaying top set on a dry flop.

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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 10:12 AM
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Hi Tony

I think calling preflop as opposed to 3betting is descent against a standard TAG.
OTF, I think I would have taken a bet or x/r line. Although the board seems dry (though imo whenever there is a J/8 or J/9 on board the board becomes less dry), there are some cards that could either improve our opponents (especially in a MW pot) or kill our action.
KK is highly unlikely; their turn bet sizing looks like 88/44/KJ/KQ possibly an Ax hand or a PP looking to turn their hand into a bluff on the scary turn card but when they call they will always have a made hand. sets and KJ/KQ comes to mind.
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Hi Tony

I think calling preflop as opposed to 3betting is descent against a standard TAG.
OTF, I think I would have taken a bet or x/r line. Although the board seems dry (though imo whenever there is a J/8 or J/9 on board the board becomes less dry), there are some cards that could either improve our opponents (especially in a MW pot) or kill our action.
KK is highly unlikely; their turn bet sizing looks like 88/44/KJ/KQ possibly an Ax hand or a PP looking to turn their hand into a bluff on the scary turn card but when they call they will always have a made hand. sets and KJ/KQ comes to mind.
Hi George,

With the way the hand played out I genuinely thought I was up against a set i.e. 88 or 44 or poss KJ & whilst Villain had a made hand... it's not one that I was expecting given the post-flop action.

What do you think GP... Not sure the term 'maniac' even cuts it



BR Tony [aka Prodigy237]

P.S. [George] Would this be a good example of the Beluga Theorem at work or just plain old crazy?

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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 11:52 AM
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Maybe he misunderstood and thought that he had 44.
Or he was drunk, or high, or first time playing poker.
 
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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 12:59 PM
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P.S. Would this be a good example of the Beluga Theorem at work or just plain old crazy?
From villain's persepctive, yes, but not yours.
The Baluga theorem states that you should re-evaluate the strength of one pair hands if you get raised on the turn. One pair is easily beaten. A set (especially if it was top set on the flop) is losing to so few hands that you'd need a sick soul read to consider folding. As played, you didn't get raised on the turn, because you didn't bet it. By under-repping your hand, villain is much more likely to bet with worse, but he should always fold one pair to your check-raise.


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Tue Sep 03, 2013, 02:14 PM
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From villain's persepctive, yes, but not yours.
The Baluga theorem states that you should re-evaluate the strength of one pair hands if you get raised on the turn. One pair is easily beaten. A set (especially if it was top set on the flop) is losing to so few hands that you'd need a sick soul read to consider folding. As played, you didn't get raised on the turn, because you didn't bet it. By under-repping your hand, villain is much more likely to bet with worse, but he should always fold one pair to your check-raise.
Hi Arty,

Sorry, I had meant from the Villain's perspective... It came up in a previous thread, where I had cbet OTT with KK & Villain R on paired board. (See Link)

http://www.pokerschoolonline.com/for...n-paired-board

BR,

Tony
 

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