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KTs on Premier Skill League - Tue Sep 10, 2013, 08:59 AM
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After this hand, a discussion happened between me and a villain, about me making the wrong decision and him doubting for my poker knowledge.
Although we can argue about a loose call preflop, that is not the point.
I want to hear your opinions on what our play should be on the flop.
It is 360 for us to call.

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Tue Sep 10, 2013, 11:15 AM
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If you assume some implied odds and ignoring ICM you are priced in for a call.
 
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Tue Sep 10, 2013, 12:06 PM
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Hi GamblingProp!

This hand is a good example of why there's a strategy difference between league games and cash tourneys.

With KTs, I get a min-raise and a call in front of me. In a league game, this is a snap-fold preflop. It's early and I get a negative league point total for an early exit, so I cannot even come close to taking a chance. If this were a cash tourney, I'd be more than happy to make a call here and see the flop IN position, especially if I knew the CO and button could fold. However, in a league game, I cannot be taking any chances early.

If I saw the flop, which I would not, I flop a flush draw. I now get a bet of 360 and a call. Once again, with this being a league game, I cannot be taking chances with my chips due to the negative league points and need to fold. If this was much later in the tourney, after I get to 0 pts for an exit, then I can look at this more like a cash tourney.. but not before then.

If this were a cash tourney, however, I need to call 360 into a pot that will be 1830, 19.7%. I have 9 outs to my flush, which is worth 18% to the turn. I'm discounting the K's as outs, as one of the others could easily have one. Since my pot equity is higher than what my hand equity is, it's a marginal fold for a cash tourney, as calling is -1.7%EV. But.. with this being a league game, anything marginal, needs to be a snap fold.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 02:59 AM
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Yeah I agree on the fact that I probably shouldn't call preflop.
But as played, the call on the flop wasn't an option for me, since I probably wouldn't had enough implied odds to make it profitable.
So I decided to take the high variance path and I shoved:

My reasoning was:
1.I played the same way a set in a previous tournament.
2.I thought I had enough fold equity to make at least one of them fold.
3.And I couldn't be much behind of anything, so given the pot size and fold equity, it would be a +EV shove.

What do you guys think, too spewy?

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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:21 AM
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Yeah I agree on the fact that I probably shouldn't call preflop.
But as played, the call on the flop wasn't an option for me, since I probably wouldn't had enough implied odds to make it profitable.
So I decided to take the high variance path and I shoved:

My reasoning was:
1.I played the same way a set in a previous tournament.
2.I thought I had enough fold equity to make at least one of them fold.
3.And I couldn't be much behind of anything, so given the pot size and fold equity, it would be a +EV shove.

What do you guys think, too spewy?
I tried to play PL as nit , but never got a chance to be in top 10 at the end of month . I played it waiting for QQ+ but even when I got them they where crushed at least 1 time out of 3 and when I won with them I was too short to make good result. JWK is right , but it's up to you how to play them .
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:29 AM
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True Shichi, you can't really win much if you play nitty.
But I don't want to turn this into a Premier League tips thread.
I just think I might misplayed the hand, and I want an opinion on just that.
Losing 10 points or winning 10 won't make a huge difference anyways.
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 11:28 AM
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Hi GamblingProp!

Shoving in a league game without the best hand after all 5 are on the board or without a premium made hand should NEVER be an option... the chips gained will never be greater than the leaderboard points that can be lost for losing the hand.

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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 12:49 PM
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I agree with John, Open or Premier League, Pre flop is a fold and post flop is also a fold

GL
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 01:02 PM
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Thanks guys.
I guess I should nit up more!
 
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Wed Sep 11, 2013, 04:14 PM
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On the other hand, villain is making a mistake in berating you for playing sub-optimally.
 

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