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KK Faces River Shove - Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:45 AM
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This is a spot I found myself in tonight in a 9-player $3.50 SnG. Fairly early so no real reads. This one tilted me a bit because I had just ran KK into rivered flush and AA into straight flush on other games.



I don't think replayer shows it, but he showed 6d8d. Were there any signs I should've noticed that would make me believe I'm still ahead here? Is this not just a total suicide bluff? What hands could I possibly have been betting on flop and turn but fold a 1/3 pot bet?

Sorry, this is only partly me venting. I honestly want to know if I missed a tell somewhere.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 04:29 AM
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First of all he just called turn.
Any Ax or set would probably shove turn.
On the river we are deciding on whether he missed his draws and he is bluffing, or he has Qx and he bluff-catched turn.
I think we can call just for information, and besides that you are getting great pot odds.
I am calling river, although not glad about it.

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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 10:59 AM
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Hi Fastlane,

You committed yourself with the turn bet imo, when all the draws miss I think we have to call here. The Q is a good scare card to bluff and the busted draws have to bluff to win. I'm not sure I like betting the turn here as the ace will be a scare card to all of his 1 pair hands that don't have an ace kicker, making it hard to get paid by the parts of his range that have very poor equity. I would generally check this back, fold river to a diamond and a big bet, call on all blanks, or bet for value on blanks where he checks again (now expecting to get paid for another street of value from worse 1 pairs).


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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:01 AM
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I think we can call just for information,
It will be tough to use that information, since either the villain will be gone or we'll have 120 chips left.


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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 11:14 AM
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It will be tough to use that information, since either the villain will be gone or we'll have 120 chips left.

Yeah true but it's a single table sit n go, villain might be a reg, so it would be useful for future sit n go's that we might play against him.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 12:27 PM
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As it turns out, I got the information anyway. So of course I made a note and hope to run into him again. Thanks Dave. I think the real issue in my play here is one I know I have trouble with. That is, when KK and QQ run into overcards. I don't know if in the same situation again I could make myself call here. After he calls 80% on the flop and 60% on turn I just couldn't imagine he didn't have a Q or an A. Who does he expect is going to fold to 1/3 pot bet after they've fired two big bets? Me apparently Before he showed I was patting myself on the back for a disciplined fold, lol. So check the turned overcard for pot control? That would've probably made a big difference! Thanks for the perceptive insight
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:19 PM
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Were there any signs I should've noticed that would make me believe I'm still ahead here? Is this not just a total suicide bluff?
Hey

I used to play these before switching to cash. And they seemed to draw a similar group of players each time? Like there'd be about 3 multi-tabling regs who don't really play much except AA/KK/QQ/AKs until blinds hit 150, and then there'd be least 3 recreational players like this one that would like to limp in and play a lot of pots and see a lot of flops for cheap and stuff? And then sometimes they like to chat - about all sorts of stuff ... promotions, pets, bbq, etc. And then sometimes they even like to talk about their cards too - when they had a hand, and when they were bluffing

One time I was having internet issues, and somebody waited for me to come back - for *TEN* minutes!! Like I guess a lot of the recreationals are playing for fun and stuff?

Everybody recommends playing super-tight at the beginning of STTs - I used to do that post-flop, especially with the casuals, who can sometimes do strange things like this 8Ts hand if they start to feel ... desperate? I don't know lol


Anyways, so mostly I just wanted to add a note because I saw your blog about Daniel Negreanu, and he posted a follow-up on PokerStars Blog - wasn't sure if you'd seen it:

Thoughts becoming reality



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