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10NL 6-Max Zoom: Deep stack ai situation - Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:15 PM
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I have 177 hands on this villain over which he is a slight loser. He is very loose aggressive running 29/29 13.6% 3b and 86% cbet.

Preflop, I thought it best to keep his range wide since I had position and I didn't have a made hand yet. On the flop with top pair decent kicker, I felt I was crushing the majority of his range. Thus I called his shove. I expected to see Ax or perhaps even a top end pocket pair 1010+. I was right about the Ax part

I got stacked but still feel this was a decent line against this villain.

Am I missing anything here? In particular, how do the deep stacks affect your line?



Thanks!

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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 02:42 PM
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Preflop is kinda loose call.
But flop is standard, I don't believe we can fold vs that villain.
 
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Mon Sep 23, 2013, 03:04 PM
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He might 3bet alot, but this is a 4bet vs a CO open and a 3bet from you. Unless CO its loose, and you have a high 3bet BTN vs CO, and know that he is capable of squeezing light here, i rather fold. What is his squeeze% and 4bet% ?

Flop i dont like it, you allowed him to play perfectly vs you. On this flop either you are way ahead or way behind, you get called by AK AA and fold bluffs and if he is decent enough he won't go crazy this deep with worst A's. Can't find any good reason to raise this super dry flop, better plan would be to just flat flop, and see if he gives up turn and if he doesn't i would just fold.

Just to add, for a 4bet bluff that would be a really big sizing.

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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 02:31 AM
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Good stuff guys! I had a feeling I had blown the hand, but wrote up exactly what I was thinking at the time. No point lying to myself.

@CaRLoS_DZ87! I dont have Squeeze% or 4b% in my main hud, but now that Im 3b more myself, perhaps its time for me to add them. Your reply has gotten me thinking at any rate. Your thoughts on the pre and postflop play sound more sensible than mine. Thanks!
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 07:24 AM
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I don't really like the way you played this hand. Your 3b sizing is way too big IP even deep stacked.

When he 4bs (massive 4b btw) given our 3b sizing, I feel we are crushed a lot of the time as our sizing gives the impression we are not folding. However, given we call pre I don't see what merit raising the flop has. I'd start check calling, and if he continues on the turn i'd actually fold. If he checks OTT, we can bet for value, but if he continues betting I doubt he's bluffing for 200bb on such a dry board.

Anyway, as played when he shoves we should be folding, even given the price we are getting. He has no bluffs in his range here for shoving 200bb.

@GamblingProp, i don't think any scenario would warrant a raise OTF on this board.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:46 AM
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Hi Greg,

Firstly while he seems to be an aggressive 3-bettor, that's not the situation here. You have already made a rather large 3b and he's cold 4-betting for a large sizing out of position. Personally AQ is a fold in this spot for me. I would expect his range to be pretty snug tbh, TT+ and AK, until we see evidence he's a light 4-bettor. It's a pretty big reverse implied odds spot, meaning we miss the flop and give up (lose a small pot), hit the best hand and don't get much action (like vs. KK on Axx, win a small pot), or hit the 2nd bets hand and are stuck giving action as happened here (lose a big pot).

Post flop I would never raise here. Doing so screams "I have an ace", so I think we will tend to fold out TT-KK and only get continued action from AK and AA. Calling looks like an ace as well, but it leaves open the possibility that we are floating the flop, and villain is aggressive enough that we can probably expect to get one more street of value from TT-KK. If he goes bet/bet/shove, I think we have to begrudgingly fold the river. It takes a fair mix of guts+crazy to bluff off with 2nd pair vs. an obvious ace for 220bbs, so I'd expect to get shown AK or AA the vast majority of the time facing this line. Again though, post flop lines aside, the real problem in this hand is calling the preflop 4b with AQ imo. Avoid this mistake and the later, more costly mistakes can't happen.


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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:58 AM
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Regarding 4b range, it takes a while to accumulate enough data to make use of %'s here, but one thing I do is look at the notes. If you use PT4 or have notecaddy, the auto notes should record every hand they showed down after 4-betting. If you see only premiums, there you go. If you see light stuff, then you know they are capable of 4-betting light. For instance I recently played a session where an aggressive button stealer opened, and I 3b him from the SB. He 4b me. I looked at the auto-notes and saw this: [P] 4Bet+ range {KK,JJ,72s,AJo-AQo,KJo} Now when I see he's 4b AJo, KJo, and 72s, I know he's capable of playing back in a spot where he suspects I might be 3-betting light. So instead of folding to his 4b, I 5b him. Was right this time, he snap folded. I think looking at the autonotes for this can be quite useful, much faster than %'s.


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