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AK - Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:15 AM
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If you get 3bet when your holding AK with no reads what makes you decide if your gonna call fold or 4bet?

Are you folding OOP, calling or 4betting IP when villain 3bets pretty big or small?

I seen people making decisions on 4betting AK and say because villain 3bet so big he probably dont have AA or KK and they get it in and are bang on most of the time from what i seen.

So im just wondering what makes you fold AK when you get 3bet vs an unknown because im tired of calling 3bet and missing and get face a big bet and fold because im not floating a low flop when theres not enough money behind.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:32 AM
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Obviously it depends on positions, stats, table image blah blah blah.

It's too broader question to answer because of so many variables.

Obviously if you 3b from the sb and get 4b from the btn it's a fist pump shove, but if you 3b otb a utg raiser and get 4b, it's a completely different situation.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:48 AM
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Of course yeah positions are more important so you say your fist pump shoving AK when the BU 4bet the SB, see im never fist pumping getting it in pre with no reads so its probably the hardest hand i find to play because if i get owned by an over pair i look at it as major spew.

If the BU 4bets small or big does that change your mind in shoving AK i don't mind flipping pre i just don't want to be going all in in the wrong places and getting owned.

What about if SB opens you 3bet BB he comes over the top, is it the same again for you move all in?
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:33 PM
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Of course yeah positions are more important so you say your fist pump shoving AK when the BU 4bet the SB, see im never fist pumping getting it in pre with no reads so its probably the hardest hand i find to play because if i get owned by an over pair i look at it as major spew.
At 25nl its a fist pump shove. Not sure about the lower limits.

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If the BU 4bets small or big does that change your mind in shoving AK i don't mind flipping pre i just don't want to be going all in in the wrong places and getting owned.
It's obviously less attractive when a 4b is committal but i'm still not 3b/folding OOP given the positions

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What about if SB opens you 3bet BB he comes over the top, is it the same again for you move all in?
Given the positions its still a fist pump shove.
 
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Tue Sep 24, 2013, 05:58 PM
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If I've decided to 3-bet AK, it's because I'm willing to stack off against a particular opponent. Therefore, if he 4-bets, I'm jamming.
If I was the first raiser and I get 3-bet, I'll often fold, but I'll 4-bet if I think villain will fold often, or call often. If he's a nitty player, I tend to snap-fold to a 3-bet, whether I'm in or out of position.


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