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5nl Zoom oesd vs shove - Wed Sep 25, 2013, 05:37 AM
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villain is unknown, I think he would do that shove with some pocketpairs (flopped sets or small overpairs to the board) and a flush draw.
I don't have a good price for my flush outs, or for flush+overcard outs at best. I believe many would call in this situation but I'm not sure if it's correct.

oops, messed up the title, FD not OESD

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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 11:11 AM
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Hi praydk,

I would call off here personally vs. a 60bb stack taking this line. The small 3b, small flop lead, it's possible he doesn't have much here and our 2 overs may be live in addition to the flush draw.

One thing I would consider is not raising the flop though, I like calling in position vs. the less than half pot lead without reads... if he's actually got a monster like AA and is trying to induce action, we're falling into his trap. And if he's actually weak as he's indicating, we can use our positional advantage to find that out later in the hand when he continues to bet weakly or checks to us, and take the pot away then. This also leaves some of his weak range in to sometimes hit a 2nd best hand, like when he's out of line with QJ or KT, he has 2-3 outs to make a winner (non spade off cards) and 2 outs to make a 2nd best hand that will get us probably stack action given his depth of money.


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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 01:17 PM
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Agreed with Dave.

An important point to note is that raise/folding the flop is pretty bad. If you decide to raise the flop with a hand like this you should have the intention of calling off if you are shoved on.

Assuming you're overcards are live you are actually a favorite vs an underpair, and even if we are behind we have clean outs to a flush.

Also, if we do call OTF he doesn't have a huge amount behind so we can put him all in by the river without much difficulty.
 

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