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5 NL zoom 6max - opinions? - Wed Sep 25, 2013, 01:36 PM
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Villain: nit reg TAG, 13/10/6 - 39 hands,

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Button ($12.42)
SB ($8.31)
BB ($5)
UTG ($13)
Hero (MP) ($6.74)
CO ($7.10)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 8, 8
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.15, 2 folds, SB calls $0.13, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.35) 9, 9, 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.20, SB calls $0.20

Turn: ($0.75) 10 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($0.75) 8 (2 players)
SB bets $0.70, Hero raises to $1.40, SB raises to $2.10, Hero calls $0.70

Total pot: $4.95 | Rake: $0.21
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:45 PM
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Hi brave,

First question... you refer to this villain as a "reg"... how do you know this if you only have 39 hands of data? I don't assume someone's a regular unless they're mass multi-tabling, or I have a very large sample of hands on them (which if they MMT, I should accumulate a large sample rather quickly).

13/10 is kind of nitty, but 39 hands is too small a sample to fully judge so I think we have to take that with a grain of salt. He may end up being a 22/18 guy who has just been card dead when at your table.

As for the hand, raise the river more than the minimum imo. I would at least call the reraise always here and consider shoving. While we lose to TT, 99, T9s/98s (questionable he will defend with these), we are beating 9x (A9, K9s, Q9s, J9s), QJ, and 33. He's probably calling a shove with all of these after bet/3b.

So he shows you quads, don't be results oriented, just make the best decision you can and move on. He'll be paying you off with A9, K9 and 33 more often than showing you quads or TT.


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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 03:58 PM
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He was reg because I had so many hands against him. In zoom if I make over 20 hands against someone he is reg in my books. And yes tight – well – I don’t know that for sure of course but one got to go with info one has. I do label fish after 3 hands, so surely I can do tight labeling after 39 hands.

Obviously I do agree that this information is not certain, but better than nothing.

I’m happy you said to be more aggressive, that was a kind of session every villain had the nuts. I quit playing soon after

If he is tight reg though, we could, after 4b on the river, disregard all 9x hands, maybe exception A9?
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:26 PM
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What did he have?
 
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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 04:42 PM
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I'm sorry, but I don't track with that at all. If you are playing with any regularity and he's a reg, you'll quickly accumulate more than 20 hands on the villain. Unless he's 1 tabling (which no one who'd I 'd ever consider a regular is only 1 tabling)

We shouldn't get to 4 bets on the river with this depth of money, if we raise larger his 3b would be putting us all in. If we chose to say that excludes 9x except for A9 (don't think it would, again though imo we don't have evidence that he's tight post flop, in fact no post flop data at all here for a river decision), that's still 1 combo of 99 and 3 of TT is 4 combos beating us, 3 combos of 33 and 8 combos of A9 is 11 combos we're beating, so we're an 11-4 favorite vs. that stack off range.


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Wed Sep 25, 2013, 06:16 PM
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Ok, got it. That 4b was a mistake (again) I meant 3b, but yes all clear now.

Interesting point you raised. I always took it granted that after 20 hands he is a reg. So I did search my database and found that out of the 14715 players, villains with more than 20 hands is 1310, so about 10%. I do agree that one out of ten is not really a regular. 5% would raise the limit to 33 hands.

No idea how many % of players are regs.



Mike2198, well he had higher full with TT. But as TheLangolier said, don't be result oriented.

Last edited by braveslice; Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 06:20 PM..
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2013, 02:54 AM
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why didnt u evaluate my hand? it was sent earlier than this one, did i do anything wrong ? i enclosed all info i had + replay..
 

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