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Bankroll builder - Wed Sep 25, 2013, 02:47 PM
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Would like to take part please!
 
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Thu Sep 26, 2013, 12:29 AM
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Thu Sep 26, 2013, 09:10 AM
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Hello oenomel71,

You are eligible for the Bankroll Builder promotion, good job!

NB: Bookmark this page so that you'll find it easily in the future

First Step

Watch the following video and pay special attention to the tips on retrieving and saving your hand history from PokerStars. This will be important for the rest of your promotional journey.


After wacthing this please play some PLAY MONEY FULL-RING (9-Handed) tables at PokerStars and using the Hand Replayer post a hand here in this thread that you have questions about.

Here is a video on how to use the hand replayer.


Then when you have that done please have a go at the Poker Basic Course and pass the quiz at the end of the course.

So you have 3 steps to do to begin with and when you have all 3 done we will award you with your first bonus.

1) Watch the 'Getting Started' video
2) Post a 'PLAY MONEY' hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer
3) Pass the Poker Basic course.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 steps completed.

Best of Luck!

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Bankroll Builder feedback - Sun Sep 29, 2013, 12:31 PM
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Have done all three steps - rather difficult to find a table that stayed 9-handed for very long, so only 6 players in this hand. Also found that Requests|Hand History... from the lobby consistently returns an email saying I have played 0 hands (do play money hands not count for that?), but as I now have it saving straight to hard drive that shouldn't be a problem.



In this hand, I was thoroughly unsure how to handle a very weak speculative hand that came good - what to do with K2 suited pre-flop in the first place, and how to bet when it hit trips of 2s after the flop. The raise to 18 post-flop was a fairly random big bet - what's sensible in that position?
 
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Sun Sep 29, 2013, 02:20 PM
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Hi oenomel71,

Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers!

flophitter
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 08:09 AM
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Hi oenomel71,

I will be your Hand Analyzer for this post
I think when you are starting out at poker it is a good idea to stay away from marginal spots. Here with K2s OTB, folding is a zero EV line. Which means when you fold, you will lose nothing since we don't have money invested in the pot.
When we flop three of a kind, I think we should raise like you did for value against one pair hands and draws. I'd go for a standard 3x. I think we should bet the turn too to get value from weaker hands and charge draws. The river is kind of bad for us because now draws will not call if we bet and a six makes a better full house, but I think we can still go for a thin value bet from hands like 55/88/99 or get called by an Ace high if they think we are bluffing.
 
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Mon Sep 30, 2013, 08:49 AM
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Brilliant!

You've done all 3 tasks and you'll get your first bonus in the next 24 hours, good job!

Step Two

Use your first buy-in to only play the 1/2 cent real money FULL RING tables on PokerStars. Do not play any other type of game other than this. Post one hand that you had difficulty with here in this thread using the hand replayer and we will analyze it for you.

Please watch the following video and answer the question below.



List 3 reasons why a player may want to make a big bet?

Then study the Cash Game course and once your happy have a go at attempting the quiz. Don't rush through the course, there's a lot of content there and the quiz is tricky so spend some time on this.

So you have 3 things to do to earn your next bonus.

1) Play the 1/2 cent Real Money tables and post an interesting hand here in the Forum using the Hand Replayer.
2) Watch the Bet Sizing video and answer the question below it.
3) Study and pass the Cash Game quiz.

Let us know as soon as you have all 3 tasks complete and we will award you with your next buy-in.

Best of Luck!

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Wed Oct 02, 2013, 07:15 AM
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Quick post to log answers to the video question.

- To put pressure on opponents
- To protect against strong draws
- To get value from very strong hands

Will be a while before I tackle the other two tasks - still gaining confidence at the play money tables, and not quite there yet.
 
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Wed Oct 02, 2013, 09:11 AM
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Hi oenomel71,

Just take your time and we look forward to hearing from you.

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Thu Oct 03, 2013, 02:39 PM
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Right, I think I've now done all three tasks successfully. Here's my problem hand, and I think I already know where I went wrong with it...



I'd already observed that very few hands on the table were going to showdown. I let myself be seduced by two pairs on the flop and attacked the hand, but quickly got cold feet when the draws were so unhelpful - I guess I should have folded no later than the turn.

I'm comfortable that folding to the show of strength on the river was probably correct however, even though it hurt with that much invested in the pot!

Last edited by oenomel71; Thu Oct 03, 2013 at 02:42 PM..
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2013, 02:11 PM
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Hi oenomel71,

Thank you for posting this hand for review and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours and once it's been analysed I will advise on the next step.

Cheers!

flophitter
 
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Fri Oct 04, 2013, 02:53 PM
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Hi oenomel71! I'll analyse the hand in post #10.

The biggest problems with this hand are your bet-sizes and reluctance to fold, when villain repeatedly told you he had you beat.
Pre-flop, a standard raise with any hand is 3bb. With TT especially, you don't want multiple callers, as the flop will usually contain overcards. Since you'll rarely flop a set of trips, you'd prefer to be heads up, so that a continuation bet can be made to keep the pressure on your opponent. By minraising to 4c, you invite speculative hands into the pot. The villains don't just call, however. The button flat calls, but the big blind squeezes to 12c. At 2NL, villains don't squeeze light very often. I would expect this player to have a genuine monster in the range QQ+/AK. I would generally recommend a fold when you hold TT and get re-raised pre-flop, but since the pot is still quite small and it's likely to be 3-handed, you have some implied odds to win a whole stack, so can call in the hope you flop a set. If you miss the flop, then it's time to get out of there. As played, you call the raise, as does the button. The flop comes AAQ, which is a pretty bad flop for you. One of the opponents is likely to have a queen or an ace, if not AQ or even AA/QQ. I would check here and hope to get a free card. Instead, you minbet 2c into 37c. This bet has no purpose. No one is going to fold for that price, and it reopens the betting. The big blind check-raises and this is a sign of strength. Since he 3-bet pre-flop and now raised the flop, he almost certainly has you beat. He might even have quad aces. At worst he has KQ, but that still leaves you drawing to 2 outs. Fold now before the pot gets really big. Instead, you call and the turn comes the Jc. This is an interesting one, because it gives you both a gutshot and a flush draw. In fact, you have a royal flush draw. That being said, you only have 1 out to the stone cold nuts. Making a flush or straight will be no good if villain has a full house. Bizarrely after check-raising the flop, the villain checks the turn. This would usually mean he was making a weird bluff on the flop, or he has trips or a pair and is scared of the flush/straight, or he has an absolute monster and wants to check-raise again. Betting 2c into 57c is, again, pointless. Even if villain just had a random king or an underpair like 77, you're giving him the right price to call with his draw. Villain comes over the top with another check-raise. He's now raised your bets three times: pre-flop, on the flop and on the turn. You have 4th pair. How can that possibly be the best hand? You have to fold now, because villain will put you all in on the river, as your stack will be so small. Instead, you call and the river is another queen. Now villain has to have at least a full house. Your one pair is clearly no good, so you made the right fold, but a couple of streets too late.
Try and be more disciplined. The reason most real money hands don't go to showdown is because players recognise when they are beat. Making good folds is just as important as making good bets. If someone raises and re-raises you, it's usually because he's beating you. Recognise when your pair is likely to be no good, and make a fold before you lose your whole stack.

Hope this helps!

Cheers,
Arty


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Fri Oct 04, 2013, 04:19 PM
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Absolutely loads of good advice in that analysis Arty, thank you. I think my major root problem in that hand was quite simply not recognising the flop as being a bad one for me. Another couple of hundred times and I suspect that lesson might sink in!

My understanding of bet sizing still needs a lot of work too, and I think that's something I can spend some time on, but it all stemmed from not spotting a bad flop.
 
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Sat Oct 05, 2013, 08:56 AM
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Hello oenomel71,

Fantastic!

Your second Bankroll Builder bonus is on it's way to you, great job so far.

Watch this video that will help you on the cash game tables



There are three ways in which you can earn your next bonus.

1) Earn 10 VPPs AFTER receiving your 2nd bonus and you will automatically be credited with your 3rd bonus. Let us know if you hit that target
2) If you lose your 2nd bonus at the tables please post the hands where you lost the money with here in this thread. As soon as you post the losing hands we will advise on the next step.
3) If you make a first deposit at PokerStars you will automatically be awarded your remaining bonuses from the Bankroll Builder promotion.

Best of luck to you at the tables and we are here to help you should you have any questions.

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Sun Oct 06, 2013, 05:09 PM
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May I ask about another play money hand, outside of the Bankroll Builder promotion, in this thread?



I think I've played a strong hand confidently thoughout, starting with AQs, improving to top pair top kicker with a draw to the nut flush on the flop, improving again to top two pairs on the turn. Even though a lot of the villains stuck with me throughout, was there anything at all I should have seen as an alarm bell to pull out of the hand (or at least go more cautiously)? Conversely, ought I to have been even more aggressive at any stage?
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2013, 02:38 PM
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Hi oenomel71,

Thank you for posting this hand for review (I think it'll be ok, if not I'll hear about it soon enough ) and I have asked one of the Hand Analysers to take a look at it for you.

He will do this within the next 24 hours.

Cheers!

flophitter
 
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Mon Oct 07, 2013, 04:08 PM
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Hi oenomel71!

With AQs, I get 3 limpers in front of me. I'm going to make a standard raise to 3BB+1BB for each limper. Due to this I will raise to 12 chips. I do not want to raise to less or I can be giving the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me (something that I want to avoid doing whenever possible). Also, by keeping all of my bets and raises standard, it helps to conceal the strength of my hand. Players that bet more with better hands and less with marginal ones are basically turning their cards face-up to an observant opponent.

The flop gives me top pair/top kicker and the nut flush draw. I get an abnormally small bet, then 2 calls of this small bet. A standard bet for this opp needs to be based on the size of the pot, number of opps and board texture and with 4 or more opps, is a pot-sized bet. With the opp's bet less than this, I need to make a pot-sized raise here or I can be giving the opps the correct odds to try to outdraw me, so I will raise to 121... BUT... this is well over 1/3 of my remaining chips, which means that I'm pot-committed and cannot fold if I make this bet. Due to this, I need to shove the flop.

Running into 44 is unlucky here, but due to the too small raise preflop, they had the correct odds to be in the hand and even if I made the standard bet, the opp DID have enough chips in everyone's stack to setmine, so they shouldn't fold anyway. These hands are going to happen over and over and all that we can do is to give the opp the worst odds that we can to try to outdraw us. If I give them the wrong odds and they keep calling, while they will hit a given % of the time, on average, I will win chips from them long-term, which is my goal as a poker player.

Hope this helps and good luck at the tables.

John (JWK24)


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Tue Oct 08, 2013, 09:24 AM
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That helps a lot, thank you. I've already recognised that I frequently forget to allow for limpers when I raise pre-flop, and probably haven't fully understood yet why I need to do that. It makes sense now, I think, that it's to make it suitably expensive for opponents to stay in play.

I also haven't yet come across (or at least, absorbed) the concept that once a certain proportion of stack is committed, there's no point in holding back the rest. Either or both of these may well be in the latest video in this thread which I haven't watched yet and am about to.
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:36 AM
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Well, whilst I haven't bust out before getting to 10VPP yet, I'm increasingly feeling that that's going to be the outcome - so I'll lodge the first of my killer hands while it's fresh in my mind.



My thinking: Pre-flop on the button with only limpers before me, K4o is good enough to have a look at the flop cheaply if I get the chance. It's not good enough to get excited about, and trying to force everyone out of the hand at this stage could get ugly: Call.

Flop: Top and bottom pair, lovely. No indications of great strength around the table, I'm probably in the lead. Pot raise.

Turn: Seeing the third diamond appear is cause for concern about a potential flush, but once again no-one's showing any signs of confidence. Half-pot raise to make it expensive for them (this is probably the point in the hand where my conviction slips)

River: Fourth diamond, and HUGE alarm bells ringing. Yet still no strength around the table... if they've made flush, why haven't they raised? Semi-bluff all-in, called, boom, stack gone.
 
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Tue Oct 15, 2013, 02:35 PM
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Hi oenomel71,

Sorry to hear your stack has taken a beating, but we'll have this hand looked at soon and then I will award you your third bonus.

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